Things You Can Think; But Not Say or Write

• Attorney Response to another attorney who chooses not to return from maternity leave
• Patrick's new favorite Sub-Reddit:  LinkedIn Lunatics
• Absurd hiring process
• What's your favorite Pizza Topping ?
• An attorney's late response to a NLRB inquiry
• An employee sues an employer for a wage claim claiming theft of time but is ordered to pay our company back $2,500 for time theft.
• Don't assume about Gen Z'ers Computer skills

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

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SPEAKER_01 0:26

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SPEAKER_00 0:44

Okay. Okay, now that we've uh wasted a minute because I don't know what I'm doing. Uh here. After almost three years of doing this, don't know what the hell I'm doing. But welcome to JDHR, the podcast, by two HR professionals who want to help you get through the workday by saying what you are thinking. Uh I'm Warren. I'm Patrick. Alrighty, as you hear, we have Patrick back performing his host emeritus duties there. Love that word. So still know what it means, but I like it. This is going to be a pretty cool show. There's so much in the news now, and you said you have some things in the news. I found three sort of semi-related stories in the news. So I'll I'll look. I think this is going to be a really good episode. But uh before we get started, wanted to remind everybody to A, leave us a review. It's been a little while, people, so we need some more reviews. We'll we'll read it on a future episode when you leave a review. You can tell a friend, you can be a Patreon supporter like the original rock star Hallie, and she is getting lonely, so be her friend on Patreon and be our friend on Patreon. And then you can contribute a story. We had two listener stories we went through, and now we're out of listener stories again. But they're they're always good, so keep sending them to us. So, anyways, how the hell are you?

SPEAKER_03 2:03

I am living the dream, Warren. Living that HR dream. Open enrollment's over. It's it's time for for tax season stuff. It's it's a fun time of year.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

So I am going straight into open enrollment. We had our final meeting with our brokers last week. So uh here I go. There's no turning back now. So as I mentioned, I've got three stories I want to get a uh go over. And the first one, I'll give credit to both Jeff Nowak and John Hyman on LinkedIn, but it's absolutely everywhere. And before I get too far in it, it does mention a partner in a Ohio law firm named John. That is not John Hyman. Just to make sure everybody is on the same page in this. Oh no, he made his own list. Yeah. I did double check. He hasn't, you know, we're halfway through January and he hasn't, he doesn't have any 2023 designees yet. Okay. Hopefully. But I don't know. I don't think these would any of these would make the worst employer list. But let's say here. So um here's here's the long and short of the story. John Delino, who's now a former, get this, he's a labor and employment attorney at, I'm not going to even say the attorney's name, firm's name because I'll get the first name wrong. But he replied to an employee with a very inappropriate text. So here's the long and short of the story. This employee, and I've already missed her name. Her name is Sue. She left to go on maternity leave, and then when she came back, she just gave her resignation to leave. So Mr. Attorney John Delino replied and sent her the following text. What you did collecting salary from the firm while sitting on your ass, except to find time to interview for another job, says everything one needs to know about your character. Karma's a bitch, rest assured, regarding anyone who inquires, they will hear the truth from me about what a soulless and morally bankrupt person you are. So yeah, I think the title, this is like the first time I've come up with the title before doing the episode. I think the title of this episode is gonna be Things You Can Think, but don't say or definitely don't put into writing. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

Which might as well be the tagline of our podcast. It's all those things that you know.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

That's what we say right up there. But you don't say. And I I don't remember which either Jeff Nowak or John Hyman said that, but they one of them said there's no universe in which this kind of behavior, in writing or not, should be acceptable. Firm culture is defined by, among other things, what is tolerated, not the words and pictures from websites and marketing materials. But oh, the next day, this is pretty good. The next day, the law firm that he was with doubled down on his message, trivializing what John had said in a statement a short time later. That single text was sent in the heat of a moment by an employee upset by the belief that the former colleague, while on paid leave, sought employment with another firm. But apparently that that post was taken down very quickly by the law firm, and they they tried to you know justify his actions and then they finally decided, nope, you're going by-bye. So keep on digging. Yeah, I it but it it's happened to everybody. I I I don't know how many times in my career somebody who's gone on maternity leave either A doesn't come back at all, or B, found another job. And, you know, and in this case, it looks like they were on a paid leave. So maybe they have paid maternity leave at that law firm. So I can understand the frustration, but it it in my career it's happened, I d I can't even count how many times somebody doesn't come back from maternity leave. And sometimes it's sort of known, oh yeah, oh yeah, they're not coming back, or sometimes like in this case, I guess it's a surprise to this, but either way, you don't take it so personally those things.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

Like, why is he so butthurt about it? Is was is he the manager and it's like a reflection on him? Like some people just get so upset. We live in a culture where we have a hard time like minding our own business kind of thing. Like, just you know, let people do what they want to do. You know, they found a different opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Exactly. Exactly. So I know you've got a couple stories. Do you want to go with one of yours, or do you want me to continue on?

SPEAKER_03 6:29

Yeah, we can because I kind of mine is kind of like an unreasonable expectation kind of story. So I'll start out by saying I found a new subreddit and it is LinkedIn Lunatics.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

And it's it is great, it is juicy, it is like I rarely go on LinkedIn because it really has turned into like a Facebook-esque posting of these different memes and things. But one of the funny things that's featured on this subreddit is these crazy expectations that people have. So I screenshotted this co-founder of this company, and it was interesting interview hacks we used early on to filter for special driven people with the right attitude. So there's seven things that he's listing as these are things that they do. And I'll read the thing, and then this is what they are using this thing to look for. Okay. So number one, ring the candidates at 8 a.m. to request for interview to find those early risers. Schedule telephonic interviews first round at 11 p.m. to find those late workers. Got the candidates to do a detailed business case to find real world real world thinking. Got the candidate to spend six to eight hours in the office for culture and patience. Did in-person interviews at 9 p.m. long working hours. Regularly did Sunday interviews to find that extraordinary commitment. And for outstanding candidates, we asked them to show up the very next day for the hustle.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Is that early riser? Well, I that no, that's not the culture I don't think anybody wants to be in. They I think their justification doesn't sound horrible, but you're setting it up we're a shitty company and we're expecting the.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

We expect you to work 90 hours a day, weekends. Give us your life. Sundays, yeah. We're gonna drain your soul.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

You know, I uh I don't know. I when I recruited, uh you know, all recruiters have their little think that's their cool special question they ask or something that they have. I mean, I'm I'm sure all of you who are recruiters or been in recruiting have that one question you like to do. Well, mine wasn't a question. Mine, I just sat there and let empty silence fill the room for maybe even up to a minute and just see, are they gonna just spout out the at the mouth and tell me, what are they gonna tell me just to fill the empty silence? And I I did that sometimes and enjoyed doing it. I didn't, well, I I can't even remember my recruiting days that much, but I don't think I disqualified anybody of it. It just something I did because I'm an asshole.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

I mean, I had interview quirks too. Like so when I worked at UPS, I worked the I hired for the early morning shift. So like you know, package handlers that came in at literally three o'clock in the morning. So I did some interviews and we did like tours and stuff of this facility that you know we're at three or four in the morning. And that is a it's a legitimate strategy because yeah, I expect them to be there. But I didn't call them necessarily at three o'clock in the morning to like say, I hope you're up and prepare for this job that pays, you know, minimum wage and whatever. Like I would schedule tours for that, but you know, I'm not gonna call someone at 6 a.m. Do you want to hear my my interview question that I always asked people when I was recruiting? I always asked them what their favorite pizza topping was.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

And what did you what was the purpose behind that?

SPEAKER_03 10:15

Just to catch them off guard? Yeah, it was kind of a catching off guard. I always I think that I'm quirky sometimes. So that was like my fun interview. Like I got really serious about it. I was like, all right, now you need to be completely honest with me. What is your favorite pizza topping? And some people would like not entertain me at all. I had one guy who I asked we were hiring for a CFO position, and of course I had to ask that question. And he like started talking about, well, I like to take my dough and I like to get some simolina flour to really to stretch it out in and coach the bottom real nice. And he like goes through all this stuff. He was like, Yeah, I just took a pizza, a pizza class like last weekend or something, but he actually gave a really good answer.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Oh, he's a CFO. He should be giving a good detailed answer to that. So hey, he probably I don't know how he interviewed, but he probably got through you in the in the in the interview process.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

Barely. I will say I probably wouldn't ask that question again because looking back, it actually wasn't that good of a question.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Well, I'm a vegan and I don't eat anything with whatever.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

That would be good to know for when I bring things into the office for people to eat. It's good good information to know.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

If you didn't listen to our episode either last one or two episodes ago about the person who had three billion uh dietary restrictions and got all hurt when things they couldn't eat whatever was brought to the company event. Or it wasn't even a company event, it was just a manager bringing in stuff. But anyhow, interesting story.

SPEAKER_03 11:44

Yeah, LinkedIn lunatics. You should I think you'll you'll get a kick out of some of the stuff in there.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

I am going to I'm gonna I'm gonna follow that on Reddit because I haven't been on Reddit in a while. I have been uh on Quora, this sort of B grade, C grade Reddit every once in a while, just because I keep getting emails from that I keep forgetting to unsubscribe to. But anyways. Well, my second story also goes along lines with things you think but don't say. And this did come from John Hyman on LinkedIn on January 11th, 2023. So yet another attorney behaving badly. This time it's an attorney representing a labor union in an unfair labor practice charge. This attorney sent a cover letter to the unions late as an answer to their the charge of unfair labor practices. The attorney replied, among other things, contact the state bar and make another frivolous complaint. Look for work or seek further advice from a mental health professional. Once again, things you think but you don't say. I I don't know. What is it it coming? I will, you know, I'm not one to blame heavy metal rap music, whatever, for bad people's bad behavior, video games or anything like that. But I will blame reality, boy, reality TV for a lot of this bad behavior. I I I think that people it's becoming normalized to be a complete asshole on TV, and people see it all the time. And so they uh they act like this. But the the the response was the conduct does not appear to conform to the standards of ethical professional conduct required of practitioners' appearance before this agency, is what the NLRB replied back to that attorney. I just I hope that maybe this attorney does lose their their license or get I don't know what it's called, censured or whatever, or get something more than a slap on the wrist for for just being a jerk.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

I blame podcasts. I bet he's a big podcast listener.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

I bet you he listens to jaded HR. But uh Yeah, I I've got a whole nother thing. I'm uh you know, I did a solo episode that talked about other podcasts. I think I'm gonna I could I could elaborate on that for hours and hours, but that was just a shorty, and I think I'd bore people to tears if I talked about just podcasts and podcasting after that. This is from Stuart Silverman, also on LinkedIn. You know, the only place I hang out, anyways, but please uh I'll read most of this word for word. I'll skip a little bit here and there. Welcome back, HR heroes. If you receive a charge of discrimination from the EOC, please do not have your CEO send emails to HR to stay the file following. Quote, what a sad waste of time responding to such a specicious claim. Thanks for holding your nose and handling this. Another quote, sport fucking your employer with a baseless claim is not an act of benevolence or demonstrative of showing consideration towards others. But anyways, I think we sh I can't even No, I think it's I don't think it's see if he says where the company is. But he oh no, EEOC, that's definitely American. He also wrote, I think we should wait this out, see what the EEOC says and play your hand slowly. There's no substantial upside to brooming her immediately. It was perceived as retaliatory. However, I think that Jim needs to wake up in her dealings with her. So she was a five the person was a financial claims examiner for Procto Financial. According to the facts, at summary judgment order, she exceeded the expectations in a role. Once again, you you give these blind reviews. Oh, everybody's five stars, even though they're shitty. This is what comes to act to bite you when it comes to attorney time. But she tried for promotion and was denied. She filed a EEOC charge, and then the above emails occur or occurred. After being suspended by her supervisor, she voluntarily left and went to the EEOC, which found retaliation. So they this ended up costing the company$67,000. But Jeff Nowak writes, yes, your employees may complain to the AC EEOC, but you may be absolutely right that their claim is not worth the paper it's written on. But as much as you want to proverbally wring their neck, stop. Don't give in to the dark side. It only costs you more later when the employee now has a great retaliation claim. So yeah. A stop giving these pencil whipped reviews. You're not a good manager and you can't sit down with your employee and say, okay, Warren, you're okay, but you do have some issues we need to work on. And and things like that. Put put it out there because these reviews are gonna be the first thing they ask for when you have a claim. Oh, this person was a superstar employee. The you said they walked on water and everything like that. So yeah, don't pencil whip your reviews. Yeah. Another story I have dated January 13th from David Mickless, and I'm gonna read his pretty much word for word. I've seen it many times. An employee sues an employer for a wage claim, claiming theft of time. What if I told you the employee lost and is ordered to pay her company back$2,500 for time theft recorded by the tracking software installed on her work computer? This really just happened in Canada. See, the employer had been using TimeCamp, which I guess is the product, the spyware or whatever you want to call the tattleware, on her work from home computer after finding her work was over budget and behind on time. Software tracks how employees spend their time, including how long a document is open for and how they use it. Apparently the software provided she wasted 50 hours on non-work-related tasks on company time. The employee claimed that she printed hard copies of what she'd been working on, which is why the software failed to take that into account, and she admitted she didn't disclose this to her employer. Nope. The software was also linked to the printer and monitored bare monitored barely any printing activities. Besides, the work done on the printouts would have to be input into the company's software, which did not happen. So either way, this this person lied on, and I have a further story. I found it also on CBS Moneywatch. So she she files a claim that she's been not paid, and then she ends up losing to the company on this, so for time theft. So I thought that was really, really during this time she had logged nearly 51 hours in her time sheet, which she did not engage in work-related issues. But this was all they told her this person, Carly Bessie. Bessie said that in February of 2022, she initiated meetings with her manager to improve her productivity. So A, she knows something's wrong with to begin with. Her employer then installed time tracking software called TimeCamp for her work-issued laptop. A month later, Reach said that it found out Bessie had been work had been behind schedule in her work. The company noticed a discrepancy between the time tracking software record of her activity and how she manually recorded her time. Anyways, we talked about spyware. She knew it was on there and it it looks like it was put on to help her be more productive. Right. And it it she didn't take advantage of the opportunity. I mean, it sounds like if they put this software on her to, hey, we're gonna help you be more productive, then Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

Yeah, I can't I can't fault the company there. That seems like they did it's almost like a performance improvement plan. Like, all right, you got this last shot.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But uh to to claim that you w were shorted pay, but then to come out that she comes out that she owes money to the company for stealing time. I do applaud the company for actually doing this because it's just too many companies just lay over backwards. Okay. You know, just lube up first before you give it to me. I don't know. I do like seeing companies actually stand up for themselves.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Yeah, in cases like that, that's that's crazy. I am curious, like those can companies put something like that on a computer and not tell the employee?

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Like this is a Canadian company, but in the US, I think Yeah, it's if it's a company's computer, I don't think i I I don't see why not. It's a company's possession, if you're using your personal computer, but I know like I can do some things from my personal computer, but I I can't VP in into our network on my personal computer and get access to things I need to do my job. I can't like to really do my job, I need to VP in. So and that's not allowed to IT only puts it on our work computers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

So I was just curious. I didn't I I know there are those things that track mouse clicks and they track all kinds of things. There's some that track, I think, eye like where your eyes are on the screen and all this crazy shit.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Oh, oh but they're they're tracking all sorts of crazy things, but here's some things. You can go on Amazon and find mouse that move, so yeah, it's keeping your screen active. And someone told me who has their computer, they don't they're not monitoring them per se, but what they do monitor is their login and log out activity. And if you're inactive on your computer for so long, you have to log back in. And so they said they put on this 24 hour fireplace video on YouTube, and that will keep the screen from closing so that they can step away and do whatever they I don't know, whatever it is they do. So it you can come up with all these things and people are going to find a crafty way around it. Very, very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

My my thought is As long as you're getting your work done. That's not a problem. It's just in cases like this lady where she whatever she was doing, she wasn't getting her work done. And yeah. If I if I find some a creative use of my time at home, you know, as long as I get my work stuff done, I I justify it.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

But you know, and and that's the beauty of work from home for those people who have self-motivation, self-discipline. If you need to get up and change a load of laundry, what's that take? Five minutes? Go do it. You know, if you need to go answer the door for the UPS man as it needs a signature, go do it. You know, there's so many things that if you need to watch the watch the new Thor movie, just go do it.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

I still need to watch that.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Uh Aiden and I watched it not that long ago. So yeah. But if you can get these things done, now if you're you are sitting there watching Thor while you're quote unquote clocked into logging time, that's a little bit of a problem. But if you're but otherwise, if you're getting your shit done, who cares? And in some jobs, it's easier to tell than others. I think in HR, it would be very easy to tell, have you done this? Well, Warren, we're not ready for payroll because you haven't done your crap. Or hey, Warren, our employees haven't been ready.

unknown 23:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

Open enrollment's not ready. Our employees haven't been paid in two weeks. But how what how were the new Marvel movies?

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Awesome! And The Last of Us just came out, and there's some other cool things. The Bad Batch. Did you did you watch Last of Us?

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Yes. Me too. Yes, I did. I never played the game.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

I never did either. But yeah, I I watched it was it was pretty good. I'm waiting to see more of what comes out of it. And then yeah, I just anyhow. Let's see here. Okay. I read this article. We're we're out of the foot and mouth segment of the the podcast. Read this article about Gen Zers wanting people to stop assuming. And I read it somewhere else, so I didn't write down the name and source of this article. But Gen Z.

SPEAKER_03 24:11

Gen Z age range, while so I can Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

All right, I'm ready. They're they're the kids basically coming out of college right now. Okay. But they they want people to stop assuming that they have strong computer skills. And and I will admit I've I've got two little examples of where I've done this, and it's just I've been fooled. I assume that someone that's uh of that age knows computers reasonably well. And I've been burned, like I said about it. But I keep saying I'm gonna stop making an assumption and actually ask them detailed questions. But I feel stupid sometimes asking, do you know how to make an attachment to an email? Do you? But you really you have to, even with and I would feel bad if I'm asking some old dude, hey, do you know how to make an attachment to the email? Because you're making an assumption that they don't, and that's bad. But if I'm I also if you ask it to everybody, but anyways, so here's my story. I hired a temporary office assistant, and I had I needed someone very quickly, and I wasn't paying a hell of a lot. So the the agency provided me like three resumes, and one of the three resumes was for someone I did not know but or know of, but they went to the same high school at that time. My children were attending. And one thing about that high school was that when everybody who graduates comes out with their mouse certification of I think what was it called? The Microsoft Office, oh shit, I don't even know what that the Microsoft Office user specialist, whatever. If you come when you graduate from high school, you have that mouse certification. And what I was looking for in terms of work was really vanilla generic work. That's why I wasn't paying a lot. It was only going to last a few weeks, but I needed someone right then and there. But I saw of the three resumes I presented, I saw this person, I saw, hey, went to this high school, they'll know what how to do it. Oh gosh, was I wrong. And if I say her skills were awful, I think that's being generous. I was just blown away. How can you I see what my children do to get through school and how did you graduate? How did you get out of school? And and the things that she didn't know how to do, I would teach her, and I'd have to teach her each and every time. And it it was luckily it was a short project, and I didn't get any more candidates. I said, Hey, yeah, keep keep sending me some resumes. But, you know, we made it work. But I did make the assumption because she was young and maybe the whatever you want to call it, the the tendency bias to, hey, the you know, as they went to my kids' high school, they'll know this. I I did badly, uh, you know, my bad Warren type thing.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Yeah, I but I probably would have assumed the same thing, but the more the more I think about it, like they are the they're the smartphone generation. Like they can use a phone, they are phone savvy, at least as far as user interfaces. But like my generation grew up with AOL and MySpace. So like I grew up with finagling the internet and learning how to use a computer and doing all these things just because like that was what I did for fun. So I would assume maybe more so like the millennials for computer-based skills, not even like a technology thing, but I think it's it's smartphones, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Like, is that the reason like I haven't thought of it that way?

SPEAKER_03 27:40

They are they are smartphone savvy because that is what they they always have their phones, but you know, how often are they sitting in front of the TV with their laptops or their computers? Probably not. They're not on AOL Instant Messenger hanging out with their friends for eight hours a day, like on the computer screen. They're on their smartphones. And I think that's probably a big part of it, is that's it's not a bad thing or a good thing, but that is just their skills are more you ask them how to use an app or how to test an app or rate the user interface for this app, something like that. Guarantee you they would be spot on just because that's that's what they're growing up with. But you ask them to sit down and, like you said, do something basic that we would, you know, you wouldn't even think twice about adding an attachment to Outlook. But it is, you know, we things that we've just been doing forever.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

And yeah, I don't I don't understand. I and I like I said, I'm guilty of assuming that younger people know how to do this, but I need to probably because I remember in the in the 90s, you would ask people, tell me about your word skills, tell me about your Excel skills. And I don't do that anymore. It's almost a an assumption that if you're if you're in the 21st century, you know it.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

Do you put that on the resume anymore? Like I'm I've been so far out of the resume game for a while. Like, do I if I put like not that I'm building my resume necessarily, but like, is having office suite in your resume like is is that an assumption at this point? If you are a professional, an office professional with 10 years of experience, like is that does that even need to be there at this point?

SPEAKER_00 29:14

I would think not, but I don't think it would hurt. You know, I I don't want to say keyword stuff your resume, but if someone says they're and I hate the word proficient on resumes, I can do a whole episode on things I hate on resumes.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

But Big Dake Jar has had some good resume and recruiting stuff lately on their Instagram. Oh yeah, like things for coming up this year for the resume. They had some that just made me think of that. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

But they're not being jaded with that. I gotta get on.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

Yeah, they are being a little too helpful. We need to we need to be to fix that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Um like I said, I would think that people would assume that, hey, you've got 10 years of experience, you've been doing this, you can attach a put an email attachment, or you know how to BCC someone, or how I don't know, uh how to make a sum on sum or average in Excel or something really ridiculously simple, but anyways. So the last thing I want to cover for today is um is it discipline or shaming? Tell me what you think of this story. He walks in to a meeting and the manager says, Bob, we started a meeting ten minutes ago. So is that shaming if it's said in front of his co-workers when he shows up late to get another meeting? Or is it is it just never okay to do that and you should always praise in public and critique in private? Um so what are your thoughts? And I I I've got so many mixed thoughts on this.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

It seems that unnecessary it's an unnecessary comment to me. It seems unnecessary, yeah. See, like I would say for me, like you know, someone walks in late, you give like a head nod, like in a I see you, and then or maybe like uh the look is like we'll talk about this later, but yeah, I I think that's unnecessary.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Yeah, see, the strong management side of me says you address you have a problem, you address it immediately. And and and things like that. But the other side says, you know, you don't critique in public and you talk to them to figure out, hey, you know, the meeting started. You were 10 minutes late to our meeting, you pull them aside and talk what what the hell's going on. And maybe there's a legit excuse, but if it if the the statement here says yet another meeting. So this is telling me Bob is always late to to meetings. And I I I don't know. I and I am the wor I am guilty of being late to things myself. However, I do think it is a horrible thing to do, especially if others are waiting on you or depending on you. Yeah. Tardiness is, you know, I don't want to say it's never acceptable, but it it's a sign of disrespect if you're consistent consistently and habitually tardy. You're not, I'm not respecting your time, Patrick. I'm not respecting everybody else's time. It's all about me. And I'll show up when I want to and and things like that.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

So it's hard to judge about context and things like that. You know, like I feel like if I was if I'm never late to a meeting and I got called out for whatever reason, I would have to be like, okay, you're gonna do this. So I'm gonna do this. Yeah, I'm sorry, I was taking a huge shit and I got stuck. Like, you know, just something like that. Like, what do you want? Just keep going. I'm here now.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

And I I don't if it's if it's someone who's always on time and they they're late, okay. I I'm gonna probably not even blink an eye because you've developed this pattern of good behavior, but when you haven't established a good behavior, but some of the comments on this LinkedIn post, I don't know, remember who originally posted it, were really out there. What what if Bob's in a wheelchair and the elevators were stuck? Like, you know, I I I hate, hate, hate.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

He was in a wheelchair and he climbed three flights of stairs to get to that meeting. Honestly, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

Yeah, hate what ifs and and things like that. But I I part of me wants to address it immediately, and part of me, the the a-hole sarcastic person, is gonna say maybe something smart ass-y to them. Not necessarily well, it'd be calling them out, but not, you know, in a disciplinary, oh, how nice of you to join us today, Bob, or I don't know, something like that. I'm like, making his uh cameo appearance as Bob.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Yeah, I think that's still like I don't know. Again, it depends on the context and it depends on like we had yeah, we had a fun HR team. So like if if that happened to one of us, like that would just be like I would consider that fun ribbing. Yeah. You know, but if you're in a meeting with, I don't know, let's say like some vendors or something and you did that in front of other people you don't necessarily know, then I think that's a little bit like overboard kind of thing. But if it's part of like your department and you're you know just there, and then yeah, something like that. That doesn't bother me. I've probably been had that done too, and probably done that as well with with fun teams that we've had.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

But also in today's age, you can teams message somebody, text someone on your phone, say, hey, run in behind, I'll be there as soon as I can, or just got off a phone call, or who knows what it is. That you can you know you can put it out there to let someone know ahead of time if you're actually going to be like I just had a cringe moment.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

I my director sent me a teenus message one time, like it was like 30 minutes after this meeting had started. I forgot all about it. I and I was just doing something like I d I don't even know. I think it like it was probably like a lunchtime meeting, and I I remember being like downstairs, like not working, and I had missed 30 minutes of this fairly important meeting. Oh and I was just like, oh my god, I cannot believe like I'm sitting here unloading the dishwasher or something, and yeah. So that's my that's my lunchtime.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

But like life happens, and if that's you know, if it's then it's a one-off.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

Yeah, it's a one-off situation. But I will say, if you're gonna remind someone about attending a meeting, don't wait 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

Well, I what happens to me, inevitably, I'll be going to a meeting, and as I'm walking into the hall, oh Warren, I want to ask you this. I you know, they won't ask me anything when I've got all the time in the world. It's when hey, I've I've got to be in the conference room in one minute. Hey, I want to ask you, okay, catch you later. I gotta, you know, or or something like that. It's it always happens then. It's never happening where I'm just gonna go get a uh a fresh cup of water or something like that. So anyways, that's all I wanted to cover today. I I think we had some good topics. It was great to have you back. As always. Uh best practice you have. Did you come up with one? Oh, geez, Warren. I haven't been doing best practices. Oh no. Yeah, I gotta get I gotta I'm doing so much better on creating show notes and topics. I'm not doing good on best practices.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

Best practice uh to really liven up your LinkedIn account. Make sure you promote your OnlyFans. Yes. Yes. I just saw a LinkedIn Lunatics post something about should modeling should model be on LinkedIn or something like that. Like, sure, it's a it's a job.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

It's a job. But when your OnlyFans is your modeling, that's a different twist.

SPEAKER_03 36:46

I haven't checked, but honestly, that wouldn't surprise me if there's quite a lot of that on there.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

I actually read the back OnlyFans was not created for porn. It was it was actually created for creators like us to for their fans to I still think that would actually be a great way to do pot if like podcast stuff.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

Just because it would be such a it'd be such a like funny, like shocking way to to promote your stuff. Like it would almost like a Patreon style where you have like your podcast only fans where you have like some behind-the-scenes videos, you know, or just like fun extra things. Like it would be a funny way. Well, you know, nothing nothing salacious like that, but just you know, it's like uh just the fun stuff. Uh like a cooking show. That's what I want to do.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Okay. We we can put uh OnlyFans, J D HR OnlyFans and Patreon special access to Patrick's cooking. And I'm not being facetious when I say it it will be fabulous. He is incredible at everything he makes.

SPEAKER_03 37:51

Yeah, I'm really good. With two kids now, I can really pull out the jar of a spaghetti sauce and heat it up real good.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

Oh, you're you're not making your own?

SPEAKER_03 37:59

My cooking has gone downhill the last five years. But no, it's it's still it's still there, still enjoyable. More more baking at this point than anything else.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

So but uh want to thank the underschool orchestra for use of the theme song Devil with the Devil and Andrew Culpa, who's our voice authors artist who does the incredible intro. So as always, I'm Warren and Patrick. And we're helping you survive HR1 what the fuck moment at a time.