Encore Episode: You're an HR Analyst Harry

Picture this: you've just had it with your job and decide to pen a scathing letter to the board of directors. But wait, what are the implications of this bold move? Let's rewind and explore this scenario through the lens of a Reddit user's experience. In our lively discourse, we also examine the significance of the energy you bring into your workspace and discuss one institution's innovative approach to encouraging positivity.

Ever wondered what it would be like to apply for a job you're overqualified for? A unique Reddit user's experiment gives us insight into this curious phenomenon, sparking a discussion around the trend of individuals accepting lower-level jobs in today's economic climate. Not your typical job hunting story, right? We also delve into a novel recruiting tactic - becoming a recruiting spy. Intrigued? So were we.

Now, for a touch of magic. What if the characters from Harry Potter worked in HR? Imagine Dolores Umbridge as your boss or Albus Dumbledore leading the HR department. We had a laugh analyzing the leadership styles of notable villains from Hogwarts and pondering their potential in the world of HR. We also consider the use of fantasy worlds as a means to examine HR from different perspectives. So dust off your wand, grab your invisibility cloak and join us for a spellbinding discussion!

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:05

Suggested. Hello and welcome to another episode of Jaded HR Podcast by two former human resources coworkers. I just want to help you get through the work day by saying all those things you were thinking and say them out loud. I'm Patrick Consilis and I'm Warren Workman, and welcome to the Danger Zone. Uh oh, I actually don't have anything with that.

Speaker 2: 0:51

I was going to start.

Speaker 1: 0:52

It's always a weird way to start, so I figured we'll start with the Danger Zone today.

Speaker 2: 0:57

Oh man, so you're getting ready for the new Top Gun movie then?

Speaker 1: 1:01

Exactly, yeah, this is Tom Cruise, scientology based.

Speaker 2: 1:06

Oh, you're beating into all my favorite things.

Speaker 1: 1:09

Navy, yeah, all those great things, follyball that's what we're going to talk about today on Jaded HR. Okay, so let's just wrap in.

Speaker 2: 1:18

I'm ready, so go ahead and let you get started.

Speaker 1: 1:23

Sure, I have a couple things today and one of them is a really short story about should I contact HR kind of scenario. So we'll start with that. This is from Reddit user Funstown who, to the Ask HR subreddit, said should I contact HR after writing an anonymous letter? Actually, he said after writing a Namis letter A-Y-N-A-M-O-U-S. I wrote a scathing letter to board of directors of my employer, big Tech Company. I have given enough proof of lack of accountability. An HR representative contacted the email in the letter asking to set up time to meet. Is it a good idea to meet this HR who is at best a VP and relatively insignificant position in the company? I have no thoughts of quitting. Yeah, let me give you a little more information because as you read the comments, he gives more information. Okay, or do you want to blast?

Speaker 2: 2:26

off. Well, he's already put in what his thoughts of HR are.

Speaker 1: 2:31

So yeah, a VP of HR is insignificant, insignificant In the grand scheme.

Speaker 2: 2:35

Pee on. Now you know. And then why the hell would you write a letter? And you wrote it anonymous or whatever he called it. Letter, anonymous, anonymous, letter to HR. But he gave him a secret email address to copy him. And if they're a giant tech company, they might be able to figure something like that out. Maybe, possibly, but I don't know. I love where it's going is that we got A right off the top stupid employee, so I'll let you continue.

Speaker 1: 3:06

Well, very much so. So as you go into comments you hit his. One of his comments is some project being delayed is not an offense, but certainly something board of directors are invested in and want to know. So they wrote a letter to the board of directors because a project was delayed. Okay, and then you go further down and he says some inconsistencies have become commonplace, like still using Windows XP. So he wrote a letter because of an outdated operating system to the board of directors. Okay, I just and like this whole thread is just killing this person because you're they're like well, I wish you should put your. You should just put your head in the ground and just forget you ever did this and disappear like stay animus.

Speaker 2: 3:52

And you know what? I guarantee everybody's all, even though before this anonymous email, anamus email everybody's heard this person bitch about Windows XP.

Speaker 1: 4:05

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 4:06

I will put times to dollars. Even though it's a big tech company, somebody already knows who it is. He's not as animus as he thinks he is.

Speaker 1: 4:16

So my guess is he's the only one in the company that has Windows XP still, because he probably doesn't actually work for the company, he's just a special employee who they let come and they laid them off years ago, but through payroll error, he kept getting paid Exactly.

Speaker 2: 4:29

Yes, now you know it sounds like a classic. We've talked about this type of employee before who they know better than the employer about everything. And yeah, you know, the project's getting delayed. Welcome to the real world.

Speaker 1: 4:47

Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure they know.

Speaker 2: 4:50

Yeah, to make a fuss and contact there. If you're going to pull your balls out to be able to write that letter, sit down at the table and talk to them, if they want to talk to you and show them either you're right or show them how stupid you are, so you can get yourself fired quickly.

Speaker 1: 5:07

Or step up and help lead the project into a better direction.

Speaker 2: 5:09

Yeah, and it's all about how, hey, what if we did this or you know, spin it in a positive light rather than I know better than you and you must all do what I say as I say it. Yeah, I hope the Reddit world just laid into him as I got that feeling. He's got my blood rolling already this episode and it actually brings me, if I can go on, to just a quick thing I saw on LinkedIn. There's a sign at Building Ball.

Speaker 1: 5:41

Here's your sign.

Speaker 2: 5:42

I don't know where my mouse is. I want to find it. So at the Indiana University Health System they have these signs on their doors and it says please take responsibility for the energy you bring into the space. Your words matter, your behaviors matter. Our patients and our teams matter. Take a slow, deep breath and make sure your energy is in check before entering. Thank you, indiana University Health. And it's done on a nice poster. It looks well done and professional and I'm like that's the way you do it. You put that sign in front of your HR office. I mean, all these people come in like that. Your person there is all torn up about Windows XP and whatever else. He's upset about projects being delayed. You know your Windows 7 is coming now, but just take a deep breath. I know this isn't too jaded of me, but I just saw that sign somebody posted on it actually was all over LinkedIn last week and I thought how appropriate and good job for Indiana University.

Speaker 1: 6:46

Health. There's not enough passive aggression in there.

Speaker 2: 6:48

for me there's not enough people to take a chill pill. Not today, but I will have some more jaded and passive aggressive.

Speaker 1: 6:56

Comments today. I think it's a good idea. Actually, maybe a future segment is like I've seen there's so many posters going around on funny Like store signs Okay, just about like wearing masks and all this stuff. There's a lot of those going around. That might be a fun Try to consolidate all the all the funny store signs, because it's kind of a. I Guess at least we have experience with kind of funny passive-aggressive signs like in the office place and there's still one up in our office that I love it, just talk.

Speaker 1: 7:22

It's an office break room. About what can? It can't go in the garbage disposal.

Speaker 2: 7:26

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1: 7:27

It's like what can go in there food, water, whatever. What can't go in there? Rocks your fingers, straws, like all these random things, but sadly, probably things that have gone in there at some point. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:41

Well, you know we joke in the baseball umpire world that these you have these rules and these Policies for reasons somebody did something stupid. You have us. You start thinking why do you have this stupid rule or the stupid policy? Well, they had it because somebody did it once upon a time and now they want to correct it, make sure they don't have any more copycats doing, doing those stupid things.

Speaker 1: 8:05

Well, it wasn't very jaded-worn but it was. It was nice energy. I like your chi that you're bringing and, and all that stuff is in words that make positive energy sounds. Oh.

Speaker 2: 8:18

Well, I'll go if you don't mind me do it, I'll go to the opposite side last off Overqualified.

Speaker 2: 8:27

Um, there was a post and I guess you could say it went Viral on LinkedIn and I've seen, actually somewhere else, a cut and paste of it. I think was on Twitter, bridget high ascent that I put hosted on LinkedIn the other day and I hope I'm not mispronouncing her name, but her post was stop calling job seekers over 40 over qualified. What does that mean? You don't want the best person for the job. You would never say that about your doctor, mechanic, airline pilot. Over qualified is really code word for ageism. Equal employment Opportunities should not be for some but all. It's time to stop discrimination based on a person's age.

Speaker 2: 9:05

There are so many in this position, which is a waste of knowledge, experience and talent and at the time I copied this, the post was one day old and had over 3,000 replies and I read through a lot of them and 99% of them, including HR professionals, were agreeing with this and there were. There were only two people who publicly disagreed and one of them I really liked there I didn't write the name down who said this. But over qualified means that a person's current skill set Would be substantially underutilized by a position leading to boredom, a lack of passion for to work. It also likely means they'll be underpaid, since their experience doesn't bring any added value. Added added value, excuse me, to the position. I wonder what a candidate would, why a candidate would want such a position.

Speaker 2: 9:55

And and another person wrote in response that it isn't a company's place to make that decision. Oh, yes, it is. I mean it went on for thousands and thousands of posts about Ageism and everything along those lines about it just really got to me it's it's, it's not ageism. You in that first person was right and then you taken the call. The content if money was not an object, hey, I've got this job. I'm looking for three to five years experience and I got this 15 year experience person. Money's not an object. Sure, I'll hire to 15 year person, but I know going in that I'm probably not gonna be able to afford that person. And you know all these comments and I just kept thinking to myself I didn't post. I wish I could have. I should open another LinkedIn account, so I don't use, sometimes get a deep scroll.

Speaker 2: 10:44

Yeah, no, just so I Saved my job because I could really just go up. But you know, you, when you hire person, usually there's a position, an ideal, what you're looking for, including budget. How, what's the budget for this position going to be? You're not going to hire that three to five year person most likely at. You know six figures or something along those lines. So you know, you need to know what this is and never just it was so many sour grapes about being.

Speaker 2: 11:13

Everybody had their own experience. You know Someone saying, well, I have a MBA and seven years of experience and I didn't even get a call back for a position that didn't have a Degree requirement. Yes, you're probably overqualified and it's not. You know they're not discriminating against you and it's not code for ageism. I have a certain budget.

Speaker 2: 11:33

And then, if you want to avoid being discriminated against because your Over-experienced, write a well-crafted cover letter, maybe you are an apportion. If you're like, hey, I'm on the downhill swing of my career, I'm, I still want to work, but I don't want to, I don't want to manage people I've met people like that before they they want to take a step back and do the work themselves rather than managing others and and things like that, write a well-crafted cover letter and explain that, hey, I have other priorities in my life now and I'm. This is exactly what I'm looking for, because, xyz, you don't have to go into too much personal detail. But, yeah, well-written Cover letter will cover that. And the reader is I. I, as a recruiter, I do read the cover letters. I. I give them as much weight, if not more than in some cases, as the resume themselves.

Speaker 1: 12:23

So I love that, but oh, just I'm kind of on the other, so I kind of agree with what she was saying a little bit and and more in the sense of like a recency effect. So we going back to, like our chunky milk COVID episode, which did not age well, no, and I think, I think it was that episode where we talked about the someone had brought up in being an HR, like resigning a position in HR, and the people in the thread were like it's not really a great time to do that, because lower level positions are going to be sought at, highly sought-after by some over qualified people because the job market could shrink. Now Doesn't necessarily mean that that has happened, necessarily, like it was predicted. I haven't done a whole lot of research in the current job market, although I know it's not great, but I think if this was a recent article, and maybe that's the struggle right now, where there's these highly qualified people that are kind of getting Not even a look, see or a call, because they're like why would you want this job? And it's like well, we want this job because it's the only job available right now.

Speaker 1: 13:29

And I would say, if you're, if you're not hiring the person because, yes, they have put in a really high salary request. That makes sense. You're you're not hiring them because you can't afford them. But if you're assuming right off the bat that this person is over qualified, then yeah, you are kind of judging them because they're over qualified, you're not giving them that, that chance, and there are ways of. If they're over qualified, they might think, okay, I probably should explain myself. I have an MBA and I'm putting in for an entry-level generalist position or something right when I've been a director for seven years. That might throw you off, but I do think in the current climate there is a lot of that where People are fighting for some of these maybe lower level jobs that we see With higher qualifications, because they have to. There's something else, yeah, so that could be a part of it.

Speaker 2: 14:15

Absolutely, and I, I, but I don't think it's a ageism, a discrimination. Yeah, at at face value. You know, I look at this person a director level, seven years experience, seven years as a director. We're playing for generalists. Yeah, I'm probably. Unless they gave me Something to make me bite on that, I'm probably going to move on because I, my budget is a, you know, a one, two-year level generalist budget and I can make a fairly good assumption without any other and that's everything a recruiter does.

Speaker 2: 14:46

You make assumptions on everything. You have to make assumptions. They know the, the knowledge, skills and experience they say on their resume. You have to make the assumption that their titles and positions were what they actually say they were. You have to make a lot of assumptions and some of those assumptions are working the employees favor or don't work in the employees favor. But you, you know you have about a minute to to really get someone, less than a minute to get someone to bite on your resume. And you know, like said, if you put a cover letter in there or you know, I know objectives are now sort of passe and on resumes, but put that, make it an objective. Hey, I'm looking for this generalist position because I'm Taking a step in my career to so I can pursue my other life interests or or whatever I'm desperate.

Speaker 1: 15:33

Yeah, higher qualified and desperate.

Speaker 2: 15:37

And you know there's there's something to be said, you know. But then again the like the first quote I read from one of the commenters. You know things turned around six, eight months and the economy is back to normal or something like that. These jobs are going to open up that director. If they aren't doing it for other purposes, they're going to be back on the market.

Speaker 2: 15:58

You know you can have the best culture and a fit in the world, but still chances are, when it comes down to brass tax and they've got to make a living, they've got to pay their bills or live the lifestyle they're accustomed to. At least this is true. Your forty five thousand dollar entry level salary is nice. That's a great entry level salary. But my six digit director level salary is much nicer and I want to get back to that so I can enjoy my life and get my four or five weeks of vacation or whatever other perks comes with it. So you are very likely to lose those, those people again. So I don't know. I just got sort of miffed by the thing you get.

Speaker 1: 16:39

Miffed Warren, I sometimes every once in a while.

Speaker 2: 16:43

But you know it's complaining, that it's, you know it's, it's ageism. No people, it's really, really not.

Speaker 1: 16:51

Well, speaking of recruiting, I have a new recruiting tax for you if you want a little bit of help in the recruiting, for I need help right now. So it's. It's being a recruiting spy. Ok, so it was a Reddit user, zjd zero. One on four asked the human resource subreddit as a recruiter, is it illegal to put in an application to a competitor to see how the recruiting process works?

Speaker 2: 17:18

Is it illegal? No, I've done things like that, even, even not to see how things work.

Speaker 2: 17:24

But maybe I'll see how their applicant tracking system when you're engaging new systems. I want to see how that works. And I've used my real resume, applied for real position. Maybe I'm not even qualified, maybe it was a senior software developer and I put my HR resume in there. Sure, I'm overqualified. They didn't call me. But no, I, you know, I've done things like that. When you know testing out ATSs and all this thing, what they're doing in, you know, who knows, maybe someone walk away from the job from doing that. I don't illegal, that's another, that's another thing that gets me met. Is it illegal? Is it discrimination? Not everything's illegal, not everything's discrimination. People, you know this thing, life happens, oh, it does happen, but I thought that was an interesting tactic.

Speaker 1: 18:10

I never really thought about it, but but now that I say that I probably have done the same thing as far as testing other systems to see what happens and what works, or just to see what I want, to see what HRS system they use, so I might log into like a company say, oh there's, I think that's people soft or something like that.

Speaker 2: 18:27

Yeah, no, exactly, I've done that very recently, just like oh, this is one of the systems I'm considering using. I'm going to apply for a job with them. I don't care, it was you know looks on the user front. Yeah, and how?

Speaker 1: 18:40

the experience goes.

Speaker 2: 18:42

And I was hoping, because one of the programs has text Replies and things I was hoping to get some sort of text response, but of course I applied to no jobs that was a qualified for at all.

Speaker 1: 18:54

But or you ever qualified. I'm no, I'm not, you wouldn't get a call.

Speaker 2: 18:59

I'm not qualified for even my own job right now, but no, it's nothing wrong with that, and I think a lot of people have had similar experiences with that, yeah, based on the, based on the comments, how would everyone agrees? Okay, hey, I got one right then Maybe heck, yeah. So I know for a very strong fact you are a huge Harry Potter fan.

Speaker 1: 19:28

And I like. I like to live in the fantasy world.

Speaker 2: 19:30

Yes, so there was a. I forget which company put this out Maybe I did save it but they wanted to ask who was the worst boss in the world of Harry Potter, and all your choices were, of course, voldemort. Then you had Dolores Umbridge, cornelius Fudge and Lucius Malfoy. So who, who?

Speaker 1: 19:54

do you think was I mean calling them bosses like like this is just bad people. Is Fudge a bad person?

Speaker 2: 20:04

So like if you're going to say bosses.

Speaker 1: 20:08

I think Cornelius Fudge is a bad boss. Definitely Voldemort, you would say. I would say Voldemort is a very compelling leader. He got followers very quickly. He almost accomplished his mission if it wasn't a young high school boy.

Speaker 2: 20:23

But is he a good leader if he gets thwarted by a high school kid and he's the Well.

Speaker 1: 20:30

That doesn't. I would say that's more his. His execution wasn't great, but his leadership I mean he had a following, very dedicated following, yeah, and his tactics for keeping those followers maybe wasn't the best, but I wouldn't say he's a bad. They didn't consider him a bad boss. They had their loyalty their death.

Speaker 2: 20:45

Eaters were like they were all.

Speaker 1: 20:46

They thought he was gone for for 10 years or however long it was, and they still were loyal afterwards. So well, I'm gonna cross Voldemort off that list or he must not be named Cornelius Fudge. Yeah, definitely, I think he's the worst leader. His incompetence, his failure to act when when shit hit the fan yeah, he's, he's a very bad leader. Okay, I mean, Lucius Malfoy is just what did he even do? He was like a trust fund baby. He did nothing. Man and I I I didn't see this question long enough to really be able to come up with a good response, but I don't. Those choices were dumb.

Speaker 2: 21:22

Well, I actually I'll give you the results of the survey, but I did add, I did a lot. What you did. I started talking about the pros and cons of each of the people they listed. Dolores Umbridge came in first place as the worst boss in the world of Harry Potter, at 65%.

Speaker 1: 21:40

Yeah, but she's just like she's one of the most hated literary characters ever. So that's why I'm like people are just saying it, because she's just the most evil person who didn't learn Right.

Speaker 2: 21:50

Yeah, Voldemort and Malfoy came in tied for second place, which at 13%, which leaves Cornelius Fudge at 6%. So what I wanted to do was I wanted to come up with the pros and cons of each of those people, and I I did a lot, like you did. So start with Voldemort pros. He put together a great team. You really can't fault his, his team building skills and you know he picked the right people in the right places. Training and development.

Speaker 1: 22:26

Training and development. I mean they were. They were competent, competent people. They did their work well.

Speaker 2: 22:32

Exactly, and it's a high profile position. You know, hey, you get a if you're working for Voldemort. You're.

Speaker 1: 22:40

He built it from the ground up himself too, yeah, so you know there's a.

Speaker 2: 22:44

He's a entrepreneur, a lot for him, a cool factor. Visionary, you're working for the dark lord, I mean really. Plus, yeah, the best name, yeah, and you can't even say your boss's name. Did the? Did the Death Eaters say his name? Oh, no, no, no, no, they didn't either, no, so no, but you could. That was a cool factor. Now, on the con side for him, I said he did tend to lose his cool a little bit, and if you were, I mean he had high expectations for him, and when you have those high expectations, you expect the best of your people.

Speaker 1: 23:18

You do but you still don't realize that's such a Voldemort backer.

Speaker 2: 23:22

Oh yeah, and then the other con I came up with. I only came up with two cons for working for him. All of your eggs are in that one basket, so when he fails, you're, you could be taken down with him, you know.

Speaker 1: 23:36

He did not have a very good diversity policy.

Speaker 2: 23:38

No, I will say that's one of his cons. Yeah, I, I next under Umbridge. I put her pros as she's highly organized and she's very and I've underlined it driven. She's, she's driven, so that's what.

Speaker 1: 23:54

I.

Speaker 2: 23:55

That's a good way to say him brown noser. But on the cons she's probably the least trustworthy of all the pit choices on the list. I would I would trust Voldemort over her.

Speaker 1: 24:05

She's always going to flop, flop to the next, the next, whoever she sees.

Speaker 2: 24:09

She sees Cotails. Whoever thinks Cotail she can jump on. She will agree with that. And, of course, my pet peeve, micromanager to the extreme, I put for her. Yeah, I can see that Moving down the list for Cornelius Fudge Once again, for the pros I put. It's a high profile position You're working for uh him, you know and it can open more doors to further opportunities. Is? It's a obviously the much larger organization than than uh Voldemort's squad. He was probably the most moral of all the choices we were given.

Speaker 2: 24:46

Well, yeah of the choices, Of the choices given. I mean he realized that he'd done wrong. I mean it was way too late by then, but he, uh he, he realized it was. He also realized that, finally, firing Dumbledore was a bad idea. He just didn't have the backbone to.

Speaker 1: 25:02

Well, he never filed Dumbledore. Dumbledore never took his position. Okay, dumbledore, he wanted to stay out of politics, right, okay, but he saw, he always saw his guidance, man. It's been a long time I've actually jumped into the Harry Potter universe and I don't know if I'm gaining respect or losing it at this moment, but whatever I'll take.

Speaker 2: 25:26

And then his cons. Well, he's completely politically motivated, so he's going to go whichever way the wind blows in. He has zero backbone. Yeah, I agree with that. And then Lucius Malfoy, a successful businessman, you know, he does seem pretty bright, Uh-oh Okay but I'm going to disagree.

Speaker 1: 25:44

I mean, what was his business? I can't tell you he was a trust fund baby. He just he inherited stuff from his dark parents, probably. I haven't dealt as deep into the depth of JK Rowling's brain. I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but I'm pretty sure he was a trust fund. I thought he had a they owned a business and now he just he just gave money all the time to like sway. He was a lobbyist.

Speaker 2: 26:12

Oh, okay, I like that.

Speaker 1: 26:14

Okay, but he know that's all he did, as far as I'm aware. He just knew the right people and he's he gave money to the right people.

Speaker 2: 26:21

But I did have. Even though he's a death eater, he does have a conscience. You know he he Bailed on Voldemort to save his own family.

Speaker 1: 26:32

I guess. So it was kind of forced decision.

Speaker 2: 26:34

But he did have a decision to make, so I don't know. As far as I'm concerned, he's not even in this conversation.

Speaker 1: 26:40

He's not a boss. He has never worked a day of his life, of his life and yeah well I came up with Karen of the Harry Potter universe.

Speaker 2: 26:50

Well, I came up with a couple of other characters I wanted to get your feedback who weren't on the on the list and see yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 26:57

You thought this is all we're doing for the rest of the episode.

Speaker 2: 26:59

Sorry if you don't like you know.

Speaker 1: 27:02

I'm sorry You're. You are actually already gone if you've left us, if you stayed, welcome. Welcome to Harry Potter talk.

Speaker 2: 27:08

So Obviously, the first person not listed I I put on my list was Dumbledore, I mean. Sure headmaster I am. One of the comments I put is ridiculously intelligent and he was always two, three steps ahead of everybody else.

Speaker 1: 27:27

I would say, hired the right people. He utilized the expertise of the people around him. I don't always have to be the smartest person in the room.

Speaker 2: 27:33

I put empowered others yeah, but I also put as a side note he. He trusts others too much, even to a fault, yeah, so I put that. But on the cons list for him he. He has disappeared from work from time to time and he also relies on others to do a lot of his job, like professor McGonigal. He relies on her quite heavily to do things that may be considered his job.

Speaker 1: 28:01

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, he does a lot of traveling, a lot of secret projects, he just trying to take down the dark lord. Yeah, then that's a pretty hefty side hobby.

Speaker 2: 28:12

He's got a side hustle. Yeah, then that brought me to professor McGonigal for her pros. I put she's. You know, all a lot of these people just goes back to how smart they are. But I did put she's extremely fair because she would, you know, take points away from Gryffindor Just as quick as she would from any of the any of the houses. So very fair she was. She was extremely fair, but she was. I also put that she's strict but caring. She, she cared about all of her students, not only the Gryffindor students. She, she was, you know, caring for all of them.

Speaker 1: 28:49

I think she'd be great at employee relations. She wouldn't take a whole lot of shit, she would just do what needs to be done.

Speaker 2: 28:58

I Didn't think of that, but I would absolutely agree with that. Now I only came up with one con for her, and that she's hard to read.

Speaker 1: 29:08

You don't always know what she puts on a that's a good thing for, like an HR person, that was you, you got. You got a poker face.

Speaker 2: 29:18

Yeah, having that poker face when you know you're just wanting to just say what the fuck are you thinking? The?

Speaker 1: 29:23

whole time. No, I think, I think she would be an excellent employee relations, yep.

Speaker 2: 29:31

So I went next down to Snape. Okay, once again pros. I just, like virtually everybody else, I put smart, he's the dark arts, he's the the smart. Well, he wanted the dark arts, but he was not, I think I see Snape as like a really good like a benefits Enrollment specialist.

Speaker 1: 29:53

I think he understands all the different Ingredients and potions and how things come together and he could really explain those things, maybe a little more forceful way than you need to, but some people need that yes, they don't kick in the butt to get their their enrollments done and all those things. So I think he would be a better, like benefits focused HR specialist and I really want him in a leadership role.

Speaker 2: 30:18

You know, I wish they developed Snape a little bit more.

Speaker 1: 30:21

I mean, they did a lot and it's only got the best character arc in the series, so I don't know about that.

Speaker 2: 30:26

I would. I would like to. I would like to see him more in a leadership role, but obviously he remains calm under pressure. That's one of the top things I put for Snape. He well, yeah, he's. He can maintain that poker face very well. He's calm under pressure, but he's moody and he absolutely plays favorites. So I only had two more. But if you want to throw some other characters out there to discuss, I put serious black in there. Okay, I, I sort of considered him.

Speaker 1: 30:58

One. We're losing a lot of people.

Speaker 2: 30:59

Am I going too down, too far, deep down the rabbit hole? No fuck it, let's dig, keep on digging. You know I considered him sort of one of the leaders of Dumbledore's army and he's definitely bold and encouraging leader he's, he's. He can be very charismatic and Bold, at least in the earlier parts of the series I Well spoiler alert.

Speaker 1: 31:23

He doesn't make it to the end. Yeah, he's, oh shit I shouldn't have put a spoiler in this. If you're concerned, I think it's 20 years old now.

Speaker 2: 31:35

I think that's true yeah. If you don't know, you don't know. But I also put he's an independent thinker. You know he's the black family's pure bloods and he rejects that pure blood notion and idea.

Speaker 1: 31:50

You know, I think Serious Black might be a good HRIS analyst. Uh-oh, I think he's a problem solver, a forward thinker. He's not afraid to kind of try things and encourage people to try things. Yes, but you know, maybe he's not as good of a problem solver, that's okay. So yeah, his problem solver skills might not be up to par. He might be a good like HRIS-like specialist, maybe, yeah, maybe, hr assistant.

Speaker 2: 32:19

Yeah, I've put for his cons. He's not the best decision maker. Yeah, and of course we know he gets riled up a little easily. He gets riled up and he sort of loses it altogether.

Speaker 1: 32:31

Now I'm trying to think who would be the best HRIS analyst out there in the Harry Potter world. Well, I mean, I mean he's very analytical.

Speaker 2: 32:37

Well, I think my next character might be the one you want, arthur Weasley. I kind of think he might fit that role and I put Pros. He's extremely fair. I mean, he's the one who wrote the laws to protect muggles and he took a beating for doing that, so he did what was right, even when yeah, there's that.

Speaker 1: 33:01

But I agree with you, but not for that reason. I actually do like him, but I like him because he's a tinkerer. Yes, he likes to tinker with things and figure out how they work, and that is actually a perfect, I don't I mean, there's gonna be an analogy for an HRIS analyst not being afraid to get in there and figure things out and play around with it. And so, yes, I like him, not for your reason, but I do think he's a perfect because he likes to tinker with things.

Speaker 2: 33:22

Yep, figure things out. And uh, yes, I put he's not an elitist and that he cares more about his team than himself. He's very much the the total team player under there Now, hot damn, you know what?

Speaker 1: 33:38

We just created a new podcast. We're now changing this to Fantasy HR, where we go through different Fantasy universes and figure out how to make put together the best HR team. Hr team. Welcome to Fantasy HR. Goodbye, jaded HR. You were, you had a good run.

Speaker 2: 33:52

Next week is Lord of the Rings. I was gonna say that no. On the con side, for Arthur Weasley, I put Obviously he could not control Fred and George terribly well, but it worked out for Fred and George for the most part. What's that look for?

Speaker 1: 34:13

We just lost so many people and I love it. It just cracks me up. The title of the episode might just be this isn't for everyone.

Speaker 2: 34:22

And then he is a people pleaser he doesn't have. He's more concerned about making others happy than you know in other ways. So those are the additional characters I came up with. Are there any characters that you would want to? And I didn't put any of the real kids in there. That's all right.

Speaker 1: 34:40

They're overrated.

Speaker 2: 34:42

Hagrid. I thought about Hagrid, but what would it be like working for him? It'd be like Michael Scott, Just delegate, delegate, delegate. Hopefully you'll dumb luck into something.

Speaker 1: 34:57

Yeah, I don't know. I think right now we just need to tell the people what we want them to do Before we just Still listening to us, before this becomes an hour long episode.

Speaker 2: 35:05

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Speaker 1: 36:07

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Speaker 2: 36:12

Fantasy, hr fiction, and we know, unfortunately, that it does exist in the Star Trek universe, so go back and find that episode.

Speaker 1: 36:24

The audio is bad for that one. Don't do that Well. I'd just like to take a minute to thank the underscore orchestra for the use of their song double with the double that we use for our intro and outro music, and we like to end each episode with a lovely best practice for you to take to your workplace, and my best practice for this week is rent a mariachi band.

Speaker 2: 36:48

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

Speaker 1: 36:49

Thank you all for listening to another episode of Jaded HR. I'm Patrick Consilis.

Speaker 2: 36:54

I'm Warren Workman and we're helping you survive HR world one. What the fuck moment at a time.