Office Rewatch: When Dwight Took Over Benefits — And Completely Destroyed Them

Ever watch an episode of The Office and think:

“This is funny… but also way too close to something I’ve actually seen at work”?

This episode is one of those.

We start with Dwight stepping into control over employee benefits — and immediately treating it like a negotiation he needs to win.

Not manage.
 Not improve.
 Win.

Instead of looking at what employees actually need, he approaches it like a cost-cutting exercise with zero context — questioning coverage, stripping things down, and pushing for changes that technically make sense on paper…

but completely fall apart when you think about the people affected by them.

And that’s where it gets uncomfortably realistic.

Because the conversation quickly shifts from:
 “this is a ridiculous TV moment”

to:

“you’ve probably seen a version of this in real life.”

We walk through how Dwight evaluates benefits:

•  focusing on cost over usability 
•  ignoring employee perspective 
•  treating trade-offs like they don’t have consequences 

And the result is exactly what you’d expect:

Confusion. Frustration. And a benefits plan that no one actually wants.

There’s also a deeper layer here around how decisions like this get made.

Because Dwight isn’t acting randomly — he’s acting like someone who:

•  was given authority 
•  feels pressure to prove something 
•  and mistakes control for effectiveness 

That leads into a broader conversation about how benefits decisions actually go wrong in real workplaces.

Not because people don’t care — but because they:

•  overcorrect 
•  oversimplify 
•  or prioritize the wrong metric 

At one point, it becomes clear that the biggest issue isn’t the benefits themselves.

It’s the mindset behind the decisions.

The idea that:

•  cheaper automatically means better 
•  consistency matters more than flexibility 
•  and employee experience is secondary to the numbers 

And that’s where the episode lands.

Because what makes this funny on TV…

is the exact same thing that makes it frustrating in real life.

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Warren 0:52

Welcome to J-Date HR, the podcast by two HR professionals who want to help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. I'm Warren.

Cee Cee 1:01

I'm Cece and I don't know about you, Warren, but my hot dog fingers are acting up today, hot dog fingers, yeah.

Warren 1:10

So this is our special Office Rewatch and we're all the way up. We've been doing this for a few months now. We're up to season one, episode three.

Announcer 1:19

We're doing, great Doing great.

Warren 1:21

So we're doing really, really well, and this is the benefits episode. So so far, each of the episodes have really had an HR twang to

Office Rewatch: The Benefits Episode

Warren 1:32

it or a component to it, and this is no different. But I was telling you all fair earlier, cece, I tried to cheat. I did not think I was going to get to rewatch this episode and I actually did not think I was going to get to re-watch this episode and I actually did not re-watch it. I played the audio of it on my car stereo as I was driving home today and I got introduced to the Superfan Edition. I've never you know, I've never knew it was there, but I watched both the regular or listened to the regular edition and the Superfan Edition. So I am as prepared as I'm going to be, and I've seen this episode quite a few times, but this is really an interesting episode.

Cee Cee 2:11

It is. I love this episode so much because I love any episode where Dwight has a power trip, and I do love any episode that shows Michael's ineffectiveness at leading and this is a big one, with delegating and his transparency into his big surprise.

Warren 2:33

Big surprise, yes, and that's well. So the big surprise, but also one thing that stood out to me like the very first scene. He goes up to Pam and asks for his messages and there aren't any. And he goes well, that's not what you said before. And she looks at the camera Do you want me to pretend to say whatever? Because the camera is here and he just sort of doesn't know what to say. He's acting it up pretty good. So the real opening scene, I guess, is Jan in Michael's office telling him he has to pick

Michael Delegates Healthcare Plan

Warren 3:14

a benefits plan. Yes, and in the real HR world, why isn't Toby doing this? Why isn't Dunder Mifflin Corporate in New York City not doing that? You know they've got all these offices and branches. They probably have a full benefits department, but anyway, I got to be honest.

Cee Cee 3:32

That sounds extremely inefficient to have many benefits packages floating around your multiple regional offices. That should be a corporate benefits function.

Warren 3:43

It really should. But I can tell you multi-state benefits are SOB and if you want to have one package across all of your multi-state locations, your options are very, very limited. Speaking firsthand experience it's not a benefits expert or anything like that, but first thing and also A why isn't Toby doing this? But Toby is only in here like two brief scenes. He's like any. I don't think he has any lines, I think he's just seen in in the background there and stuff.

Cee Cee 4:16

So that is funny, yeah, I am not a benefits person, so I know nothing about benefits. So fair point benefits person, so I know nothing about benefits. So fair point, fair point. But at the very least Toby should be leading this and not Michael.

Warren 4:29

But it wouldn't be as funny with Toby, I know. But anyways, jane wants him to pick a benefits plan and he says, oh, I want this one, the gold plan, that has acupuncture and massages and you know everything else like that. And she just looks I'm, I don't even have the gold plan. Your job is to just pick a provider and then pick their least expensive plan is what all she says to them.

Cee Cee 4:56

So pick a provider, pick the least expensive plan and let me just see we we see it later. But also also it seems like such a flippant way to look at benefits, considering how much benefits really affects employee morale and all of that stuff. It's just like pick whatever's the cheapest. That sounds so flippant.

Warren 5:20

Yes, I absolutely agree. But on the other hand, I can see a corporate entity telling somebody to do that yes. Yeah, it's very real thereabouts Now and on top of that, two-thirds of them are on our former military and don't even need our benefits. But I did our benefit reconciliation for July just this week and just seeing how much money we're paying Now. Of course, employees contribute as well, but we pay a significant portion. The company pays a significant portion of the cost, but just seeing how expensive it is, benefits are a big deal on multiple levels Retention, engagement, recruiting it's huge.

Warren 6:15

So, yeah, so Michael wants this gold plan, that's out of the question. Jan says get the cheapest one. And so what does michael do? Calls jim and wants to delegate to him to do this, and I think for all of jim's, jim is a funny character, but if I'm looking at it as an hr person he's in my office he's a bit of an a-hole, he's a definite bully. He's that cool kid that is above everybody else and knows it too. But anyways, because Michael has a main crush.

Cee Cee 6:58

I would be such an asshole I'm like. Isn't that all sales, though?

Warren 7:03

It very well can be yes kidding we love sales.

Cee Cee 7:07

Sales is the reason why we're here, so we love sales.

Warren 7:10

That was just a joke michael tries to delegate to jim and jim pushes it off, says you know who'd be really good at this? Dwight and and of course Dwight's. You know Johnny, on the spot, wants to be there and take it over.

Cee Cee 7:28

Oh, eagerly, eagerly.

Warren 7:31

And then we get into, like you said, dwight having a power trip and I just love it because I can see that person in real life. I haven't worked with that person, I haven't had to anybody, you know, I've had to deal with in an HR manner. Be that Dwight who gets off on the power trip, but I've seen them and things like that and I just, yeah, dwight does a very good job of this

Dwight's Power Trip Begins

Warren 8:09

job of this.

Cee Cee 8:09

So what's it? Where? Where to where? To start with dwight? Yeah, he really loves his new authority, he embraces it and, yeah, I love how he takes over the office and makes it his workspace his.

Warren 8:19

He wants it to be an office, but he's told it's a workspace, it's not an office.

Cee Cee 8:22

Yeah, yeah, because he's not the assistant regional manager.

Warren 8:24

He's told it's a workspace. It's not an office. Yeah, yeah, because he's not the assistant regional manager, he's the assistant to the regional manager.

Warren 8:29

It's all about the semantics yes, to keep dwight happy and occupied and and things like that. But dwight just goes in with not even just a hatchet. He's going in there with a chainsaw, just cutting A chainsaw the benefits and he's going through. And of course, what happens? Nobody likes what Dwight is doing. He's cut everything out and speaking as someone who has a mild amount of experience with benefits, you know this well. I'll get to that later. But he's cutting everything out to get this cheap, cheap version of benefits and all the employees are mad. So what do they do? They go to Michael and he says and he plays off Dwight, what are you doing? Why are you doing? This Plays it off, so you know. So over dramatically and you figure out how to give these people what they want or whatever Michael charged them with. So Dwight's next big idea was to come up, have everybody submit a list of all their diseases.

Cee Cee 9:44

Sounds like a HIPAA violation, if I've heard one.

Warren 9:47

Yeah, exactly, but remember you don't put your name on it. Though he was writing, I don't know if this was in the super fan edition or in the real edition he was like trying to write people's names on their submission.

Cee Cee 10:00

Well, it wasn't that. I think he was catching on to the fact that some of them were fake. So then he was like who has this one? So yeah, we're definitely in HIPAA violation territory.

Warren 10:15

And of course Jim and Pam and other people go in and make up these silly diseases.

Warren 10:24

Hot dog fingers and make up these silly diseases Hot dog fingers, hot dog fingers. I did not know I was going to get a chance to watch this episode or listen to it at all, so I tried to cheat and I used Gemini. And the question I asked Gemini was give me a breakdown of the highlights from the US comedy the Office, season one, episode three, titled Healthcare. And so Gemini, first thing it spits out is synopsis. Synopsis is dead on Highlights. First highlight it mentions is Dwight's power trip, dead on. Second bullet under highlights is the disease list which we're talking about now and it goes on from there. But anyways, we're talking about the disease list which we're talking about now and it goes on from there. But anyways, we're talking about the disease list. So Jim wants to make sure, because what the idea of this disease list is? To make sure whatever you need is covered.

Cee Cee 11:17

Yes. So like Jim puts on there Great idea on paper, horrible execution.

Warren 11:26

Oh boy, jim puts on there Ebola and mad cow disease, and then Pam puts on she's just making up diseases.

Cee Cee 11:35

I love that.

Warren 11:37

What do you call it when your teeth turn to liquid and explode in your mouth? And he goes that's not a made-up. Jim goes that's not a made-up disease, that's whatever. And he comes up with a name for it and I guess she puts that on and anyways it goes. You know, the class clowns, if you will, are making this even harder on Dwight. So he picks up, as you were saying, that some of these diseases are made up, and he goes who has hot dog fingers or whatever it is? And then he wants to have a meeting and he says he brings everybody in to actually talk. And Stanley says what about confidentiality? You lost confidentiality when you gave me these stupid made up diseases and things like that, including the hot dog fingers. Of course count choculitis, yes, including the hot dog fingers, of course count choculitis. Yes, that was a good one. And then, of course, of all people, it's Kevin. What about anal fissures? Anal?

Warren 12:37

fissures and nobody here has that. Kevin goes. No, somebody here might. And remember this is season one, kevin, before he has the strange voice, he has the very mild meager. He didn't change his voice yet. Somebody here might have it and things like that, and it just goes on and on about it and it's funny.

Cee Cee 12:59

I do like when Meredith wants to ensure that her vagina is covered.

Warren 13:04

Because one of the fake diseases someone put it was an inverted penis disease. And she goes do you mean a vagina? A vagina could be an inverted penis, if you think of it. And then Dwight's like you don't have a vagina, you had a hysterectomy, yes, and things like this, and she's trying to explain.

Warren 13:26

I still I still have a vagina yeah, that is a classic dwight not knowing these things, so I'm going to give you under the disease

The Disease List Fiasco

Warren 13:37

list. Ai gave me this. Oh yes, so pan's car. Pam's carpal tunnel syndrome nobody mentioned carpal tunnel syndrome in it. I don't know where it comes up with that. Kevin's hot dog fingers Okay, we got hot dog fingers. Okay, this is actually deep hallucination on the AI's part. Oscar's chlamydia and it says which he makes up on the spot just to mess with Dwight, that was not part of the show. Stanley's spine-ritis and Meredith's Lyme disease, which she genuinely has, but Dwight tries to dismiss as not a real disease, not in the show. I don't know, I don't know where that.

Cee Cee 14:22

Oh, gemini, you failed.

Warren 14:24

Yeah, that came from. Yeah, it was really interesting. But I was going to say, as someone who knows a little bit about benefits, it's really hard to get like I don't want to cover, say, arthritis in my plant. It would be hard to get a. You can get what they call a rider to either include or exclude something from your plan. You know a lot of like religious organizations may have certain riders about birth control or other things like that in their health plan, but your M1A1 employer is not going to go through the trouble to oh, I'm want to exclude hot dog fingers for my benefits plan. It's sort of all inclusive and some plans may have better coverage towards some illnesses than others. But it's not like an individual plan is going to necessarily do that. But I guess, speaking in the real world, companies are getting riders now for their GLP-1s because insurance doesn't want to cover it but employers want it in their plans. So they're getting riders added to include GLP-1s if that's the way the direction the company wants to go. So that's pretty interesting.

Warren 15:48

A learning moment in Jaded HR let's see here. So back to the show, michael. While all this is going on, what is Michael doing?

Cee Cee 16:00

He's trying to plan for his big surprise.

Warren 16:03

And he's hiding. He's like actively hiding in his office himself and he he's on the phone with.

Warren 16:11

He calls pam, how's everything going out there? And she's third talk to him and it's really bad and you, really you might want to get out here. And he tries to say, oh, I've got to go, I've got a call. And she looks at the phone no, you don't. And then at the end is he's trying to get off again. He goes oh, I gotta take this call. No, you still don't have another call. No, but he's trying to he has no backbone.

Cee Cee 16:36

He is the person who does not want to give deliver bad news at all oh, and that's something jan says at the very beginning of the show.

Warren 16:46

Sometimes as a manager you have to have hard conversations and she goes like I'm having with you right now and I did get a crack up out of that, because he's so oblivious, he doesn't get anything that's going on around him. Like right now, like like this you have to do yeah, and it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's michael at his finest. But and then michael goes on this what do they call it when they, like, just focus directly in on one of the characters and they're talking directly to the camera?

Warren 17:24

I don't know, oh, like the confessional yeah, yeah, that type thing, these you know I'm a good manager. I've decided to delegate this. And now one thing michael said I don't get the context to dwight's already got one strike. This will be strike. If he fails at this, that'll be strike number two. And I don't know we're only three episodes in, so I don't know what his other strike is on that. But if he succeeds, I had the authority to and the confidence in him to make this happen and delegate this to him. And if he doesn't succeed, he sucks. Basically, I forget what he says, but yeah, he sucks, and that's I can. So picture managers I've dealt with in my life. That would be the exact same way. I'm here for the glory, but if things don't go the way I want, nope, that was all him. I tried, I did my best. And Michael, he leaves the office not once, but twice.

Cee Cee 18:27

Twice he has meetings where he's trying to set up his big surprise, and he realizes he can't do a big surprise I loved how he was researching, he was doing the, the big ride, the big ride, the elevator ride, and it was like a mine shaft. And then it was like oh, do you guys do those things where you get a bus and then you give everybody, drive everyone to the casino and you give them free chips and everything's for free and it's all comped, and then you bring them back and they're like we don't do anything like that either nobody does he's trying so hard yeah, yeah, he's trying, he is very, he does, like his employees, he does try really hard for the the good stuff, but the bad stuff he's he's

Michael's Big "Surprise" Revealed

Cee Cee 19:17

not too too good at.

Warren 19:19

And so what does he do? He comes back in the afternoon with ice cream sandwiches for everybody, and since ryan doesn't get benefits, he gets two of them, and you have a high metabolism. So, and in stanley, this isn't our surprise, is it? Oh, no, no, no, this isn't their surprise. I've got something bigger and better. And he goes, hides, runs and hides in his office and then he comes. I guess he comes back out again and Dwight has not made any changes to the original, you know, just butchered healthcare plan. And everybody's mad. And Angela asks well, what about our big surprise? And Michael goes into the little confessional mode I guess you'd say and talk about how great of an improv he is. He's along the greatest, like Drew, carey and gosh. Who's the other? Ryan Stiles? From Whose Line Is?

Warren 20:11

It Anyway, oh, yeah, yeah yeah, and how great he is and I would have loved to work with Robin Williams. But he's sitting there, he's stalling and trying to do the drum roll. Here's your big surprise he's doing it for a minute. He's like doing it for like a minute trying to, okay, stall out and everything, and people are just starting to leave. And we didn't have a surprise.

Warren 20:33

And they're very demoralized and very unhappy they are. But I think they knew to expect that from Michael, you know, especially after he disappeared, Because the man doesn't spend two minutes in his office, he's always out and about. You know, disturbing interrupting his employees versus actually helping them. But it got me thinking. Would you rather have your manager bring in ice cream, sandwiches or pizzas for your morale?

Cee Cee 21:01

Oh my God, Actually at this point the ice cream sandwich sounds delicious and quite different from the pizza, so I guess I would welcome the ice cream sandwich just a little more.

Warren 21:11

Yeah Well, Speewich, how is it out there in your neck of the woods, I know? Today our heat index got up to like 117 degrees at the bottom of my screen, the heat warning in effect continuing through the end of this week. We're just sweating.

Cee Cee 21:27

We are sweating. We are also in a heat warning. I think we're tomorrow. We're 94 degrees Holy F.

Warren 21:37

Yeah.

Cee Cee 21:38

I'm going to melt.

Warren 21:39

Tomorrow. Oh, we're going down to 95. So we're going to get some, some. Really.

Warren 21:44

I don't know what the heat index is going to be, but yeah, so ice cream sandwich would sound pretty damn good and if anybody who knows me knows, I am an ice creamaholic and these few weeks with my son being home, oh my gosh, I'm gonna gain. I've been to brewster's ice cream twice. Love my brewster's. Now we've got milkshakes here there, everywhere. What else did we do? We're just, yeah, we're being complete, full-on gluttons.

Warren 22:13

You know, with him here and he's eating us out of house and home on top of everything else, my wife is like he's like I've never had to do this many dishes. He's eating all the time, everything. And he just turned 21 on saturday. So that's another thing. My wife was very, a little bit not very upset that our baby's 21 years old now and things like that, and he wanted rum chata for his 21st birthday. Then he found a tiktok recipe you just a dirty pina colada or something where you just poured pineapple Fanta and rum chata together and it's a I think they call it dirty pina colada. I had it. It wasn't bad, it wasn't great, it wasn't bad. Definitely gave the pina colada taste to it. But so we have, we bought him some rum chata for his, his, some coconut rum chata for his birthday, and yeah.

Cee Cee 23:13

So rum chata, that's nice rum, chata and coffee is great. I don't know if he needs to learn about morning drinking yet, but he's.

Warren 23:26

He's not inexperienced, that you know know a couple of years I know we're way off time. It's a couple of years ago we went to Puerto Rico and first place we go to dinner. They're taking our drink orders and they ask him, and, and he just says I'll have what she's having. Talk to my wife and and didn't bad night. He's 17 years old, bringing him a rum and Coke or whatever she was having and things like that. And then we're sitting on the beach and these giant pineapples with real pina colada in it and carved out of the pineapple and he asked for one and I just gave him some money and he bought it and they didn't care.

Warren 24:02

We went to a drag king show the best first of all. We went to a Drag King show yes, the best first of all. And second, in Puerto Rico we got mojitos and I asked my sister do you want these mojitos? Do you want them the small or large? And it was only like two dollars difference. The large is like half a gallon. We didn't even. We got like three of them and we didn't even finish one of them in there, but it was. It was really funny. One of the drag kings actually spoke english and he came up to our table so many times and he was like translating, for he made us part of the show and things like that he was. So now my brother-in-law who, who's from chile is, is in there and he's doing something translated. But this guy is just doing it fabulously translating for us, and it was we.

Warren 24:51

we had absolutely anyways back to back to the the side. So yeah, actually I think we're pretty much at the end of the show, everybody leaves, oh, and then when everybody's gone, he says we're going bowling. It was his big concern.

Cee Cee 25:12

Let it go, Michael.

Warren 25:15

Yeah, it was very funny, I feel like.

Cee Cee 25:19

Honestly, I feel like that should be a manager slash leadership skill that no one focuses on is the ability to delegate appropriately and to choose when it's appropriate to delegate a task and who it's appropriate to delegate that task to, Because Michael failed on both accounts.

Cee Cee 25:41

This is not Now not now a you shouldn't have delegated it and you just again like act your wage. You're gonna have to make tough decisions and deal with it and also never choose dwight. Dwight is like the shredder he like he goes on power trips oh, and again, why not delegate it to toby?

Warren 26:05

I know michael hates toby, but here, toby, have fun, go do this, and toby would love it toby would have been really, really happy, like later one of the later episodes, when he gets to bring out his notebook he's doing some real hr work. You don't see Toby that happy ever in any episode, unless he's like thinking of Pam or something Exactly.

Cee Cee 26:26

Give Toby something to do. He's bored back there.

Warren 26:29

Exactly, but I'm trying to. I'm also looking at the other AI things that got it wrong. Okay, so this got me on the AI and it made me think, ooh, this will be a fun discussion for the show. One of the bullet points it gave for the synopsis is the great HMO versus PPO debate, and the episode touches on the different types of planes and the general confusion surrounding them. And I'm like I was like, ooh, this is something I would like to really hit. But AI, you got it wrong. They didn't mention any of this, but I wonder, did they end up with that Butchered plan? Because at the end, oh, this was due at 5 o'clock and it's 5.15. Oh, too bad, we can't change yeah.

Cee Cee 27:18

I think they got the Butchered plan. We can't change, yeah, I think they got the butchered plan which, if we're going to follow reality, I'm surprised no one put their resignation shortly after and found a new job, Because benefits are such a huge part of the compensation plan that if they were to butcher it they would have lost people for sure.

Warren 27:36

Well, even Oscar, in the middle of the episode, says something along like this is actually a pay cut for us. Right,

Real-World Benefits Discussion

Warren 27:44

when you, when you butcher the benefits, like that, you're you're forcing people to take a pay cut and that's you know whether it's a pay cut because they're they're paying probably the same amount or more for less service, or they're paying more for the same lousy service. Yeah, it equals a pay cut. So, yeah, that was pretty telling. I appreciated that portion of it. Let's see here. But yeah, ai really failed. So I think every episode I'm going to try and see what AI gives me for the thing. But something does tell me in a future episode Meredith does have Lyme disease, but it's not.

Warren 28:26

I think it's blurring episodes the rabies episode maybe she gets rabies. Or is it when she gets, when Michael hits her with a car and she's in the hospital and they're discussing her medical. So much happens to Meredith.

Cee Cee 28:41

I honestly do think she had Lyme disease. Like I feel like that was real and she's in the hospital and they're discussing her medical. So much happens to Meredith.

Warren 28:47

I honestly do think she had Lyme disease. Like I feel like that was real. Yeah, I think somewhere in there she got Lyme disease. So I think AI is sort of blurring their episodes together.

Cee Cee 28:53

Meredith has everything. She's just a hot mess.

Warren 28:56

She is the definition of hot mess, and so is her family. I think we'll find out a little bit later as well.

Cee Cee 29:02

But let's not forget, during the entire filming of the series, she was supposedly working on her doctorate.

Warren 29:08

Oh really.

Cee Cee 29:10

No, no, no, that was like spoiler alert at the very end of the series, when they're talking about reflecting back on the documentary crew that was there. She claims that she was edited wrong and that she was working on her doctorate in education. Why didn't they show any of that? Oh, okay, I don't remember that part of it Meredith's, like I got a bad edit.

Warren 29:35

Oh man, but no benefits in the real world is so important and I think there was a lot of opportunity here. So maybe some things they missed on. But giving Dwight just the carte blanche to butcher everything and be Dwight about it, you know the opposite thing you could have given it to really given it to Jim Pam and gotten some thing out of the world as well.

Cee Cee 30:05

So it's honestly, I'm going to be like I think Jim and Pam, If I was, if I was going to delegate, I would probably delegate to a group first, like a small, like a or maybe a trio, because one person should not be in charge of making that important of a decision. And I feel like Jim and Pam like their hearts in the good place. They like, like they. I mean, yes, Jim's a bully, but I think at the end of the day he really does care for the people he works with. I think them together would have come up with a way better solution than Dwight alone.

Warren 30:44

See, if I weren't going to choose Toby, I would have chose Oscar.

Warren 30:50

Oscar would have been great, the most level-headed. He'd be better than Toby probably. He'd be so level-headed and he'd plan it out really well. I don't know, oscar. Oscar would have probably been if you're going to a committee, he should be the committee chair of that committee and if not, just give it to him and he would come up with the best plan. But you know another, give it to creek. Oh gosh, we got. We got free, everything, every medicine you want, no prescription, we're getting it. We're not getting it from canada, we're getting it from this island you've never heard of in the somewhere. That's where we're getting our medicines from creed signed them up for.

Cee Cee 31:31

Like what is it?

Warren 31:32

medical coverage of psychedelics yeah, exactly legal and I'll be microdosing the whole office every day, in our coffee as well. You know what?

Cee Cee 31:43

That would boost morale.

Warren 31:45

So there you go Well okay, there was somebody out there that was trying to make microdosing your employees as a good thing. We'll have to do this on.

Cee Cee 32:02

another episode is this consensual microdosing or like secret microdosing a woman that put laxative in someone's coffee or something at work. What was that it was? It was something like that a few years ago here.

Warren 32:18

Here's something from Sherm. Microdosing may become a more significant leadership issue. I guess that's more about whatever, but it's a lot more widespread than you had. This person, alex Atwood,

Wrap-Up and Next Episode

Warren 32:30

a psychedelic coach that's the job I want helps design protocols for people to integrate microdosing into their day-to-day lives. That's funny.

Cee Cee 32:40

I mean, I guess it's no different than Wall Street in the 80s, it's just different vibes.

Warren 32:45

Everybody's coked up in the 80s and things like that.

Cee Cee 32:49

Everyone in this day and age is just really mellow.

Warren 32:53

Yeah, everybody's on Prozac or not. Ambien, that puts you to sleep. I don't know my drug drugs names or anything like that, but I don't work in pharmaceuticals yeah, imagine, imagine if cocaine was widespread now, as it were, in the 80s and 90s, early 90s. That'd be interesting. So, anyhow, we've gone down a couple of different rabbit holes. We didn't intend to we've been.

Cee Cee 33:21

We've been a little loopy. We recorded our. We recorded episode before this and I've I lost my mind doing that episode.

Warren 33:27

So yeah, exactly, but we do have. We're going to do a normal episode next week, but we're going to continue. I think we're still going to go down. I think we're going to go straight to episode four, which is the alliance. Rumors of Dwight downsizing spurred Dwight to ally with Jim for survival and things like that. I think all the episodes in season one have an HR twist we can put on it. The alliance would be a good one.

Cee Cee 34:00

When have we not worked in an environment where rumors were swirling?

Warren 34:04

Oh, never. Hr has never had to deal with people and their rumors and things like that. So, yeah, this will be so unrelatable, so unrelatable. So, anyhow, join us in another week from this episode, we will have our regular episode. My goal is that this episode that early week in July, that July 10th episode, is going to be a really, really good one. I'm really going to be working my butt off on this. One is and it's cc's idea it's going to be awesome. She showed me something and I've just went down too many rabbit holes and it it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse the more I I work on.

Cee Cee 34:52

It gets worse in the best way oh yeah, in the absolute best way.

Warren 34:57

it gets worse, and I'm going to take it a whole nother direction as well. So, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm digging down rabbit holes big time, so, but we'll wrap it up and land the plane right there. So, as always, I'm Warren.

Cee Cee 35:12

I'm Cece.

Warren 35:13

And we're here helping you survive HR one. What the fuck moment at a time.