Quiet Cracking, AI Trust, and Training the Next Generation

Quiet Cracking, AI Trust, and Training the Next Generation

After an unexpected week off, the hosts catch up on a kitchen remodel and debate gas versus electric cooking, then touch on Cinco de Mayo drinks and missed Star Wars Day plans. They shift to workplace trends, defining “quiet cracking” as employees who are burned out and disengaged but staying due to an unstable job market, alongside “job hugging,” and discuss low applicant flow, burnout at big tech, and the need for real PTO. The conversation turns to AI-driven layoffs, distrust and unclear use cases for AI at work, and tools like Copilot, Gemini, Cowork, NotebookLM, and Spark AI for planning, coaching managers, role-playing difficult conversations, and studying—while warning about hallucinations and cringe-worthy copy-paste AI emails. They also discuss kids’ screen-heavy schooling, Gen Z tech skill gaps in onboarding, IBM tripling entry-level roles, and the value of interns and early-career training, ending with a note about launching their first YouTube episode.

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Warren: All right, we're finally back. We took an unexpected week off just because life was, a little crazy for a little while, but yeah, glad to be back. How, how's your last... It's been a month. How's the

CeeCee: It's

Warren: couple weeks been going

CeeCee: been a month. Personally, we just finished our kitchen. We remodeled our kitchen, we refinished our cabinets, we got new countertops. We put, a new gas cooktop in. We, converted it from electric. It's amazing. So [00:01:00] I've been enjoying my new kitchen.

Warren: Yeah. Now, okay, here's a question. I like cooking. I have fun cooking. But do you think there's a real difference in cooking with gas versus electric?

CeeCee: 100%. Everything cooks quicker, but it cooks more, accurately,

Warren: Okay.

CeeCee: which I love.

Warren: Okay. When we built this house, we got gas cooktop, and, we're not super chefs or anything like that, but we're enjoying it. But everybody was like, "Oh, it's such a game changer." And we're like, "Yeah, I haven't noticed the game-changingness of it," but it's, it's

CeeCee: It's a game changer

Warren: Yeah.

CeeCee: in my books.

Warren: So the week we were supposed to record, I was traveling for work. I had school up to my yin yang, and it was just way too much. I just couldn't keep up with that.

Warren: But today, speaking of Tuesday, is Cinco de Mayo, the day after May the fourth,

CeeCee: Yes.

Warren: Been a lot of fun things going on

CeeCee: did not [00:02:00] celebrate Cinco de Mayo. I feel like I'm missing out. I really just wanted a margarita.

Warren: afterwards. Well,

CeeCee: margarita while we were recording.

Warren: Absolutely. I could have thought

CeeCee: Ah.

Warren: Someone introduced me to something, a Corona-rita, where

CeeCee: Oh, yep.

Warren: Corona, put it upside down, and it fills the glass. I don't understand. I'll have to try it out as now

CeeCee: It is

Warren: curious,

CeeCee: so delicious and refreshing. I would say also what I learned about while living in Texas was ranch water, which is, it's Topo Chico, which is, like, a Texas-based sparkling water, tequila, a little simple syrup, and, tajin. It's refreshing. So it's basically like a skinny margarita, but, with sparkling water, but it's delicious.

CeeCee: I highly recommend it. There's lime in there, too.

Warren: It's like

CeeCee: There's lime in there. I don't know.

Warren: Did you celebrate Star Wars Day at all?

CeeCee: I didn't. It was just so busy.

Warren: I know. I said I was gonna [00:03:00] watch Rogue One as that's my favorite of the Star Wars, movies. I said I was gonna do that. I didn't. I didn't even get caught up on Maul, which my wife mocks the hell out of me for watching Maul because it's a cartoon. Like, Star Wars Rebels

CeeCee: Oh, gotcha, yeah.

Warren: she mocks me.

CeeCee: Aw.

Warren: Yeah. But ne- end of next month comes Mandalorian and Grogu, so in the theaters. I'm gonna have to wait to see it as I, I've just given up on theaters forever,

CeeCee: go to the theater for that. It's either that or Devil Wears Prada 2.

Warren: I think.

CeeCee: I have... My taste is vast.

Warren: Oh, yeah. My, my assistant, wants to... Is talking about The Devil Wears Prada too,

CeeCee: It's so good.

Warren: Well, , let's see here. What... know, we're talking offline. We haven't prepared. We've had a month, and we haven't prepared, but you came up with some good, good topics. So what do you have for us today?

CeeCee: Um, well, there's a few things going down. So I know y- we've talked about this in the past, our, our love of, [00:04:00] like, trendy phrases, like quiet quitting or all those other ones. So there's a new one, and it's called quiet cracking. Do you know what that means?

Warren: I didn't know what it means. It's... terms they come up with, it's like each new author has to try and come up with the newest term for something, and now we got quiet cracking. So go

CeeCee: So quiet cracking is the workplace trend getting attention, where employees who are emotionally exhausted, disengaged, and are staying anyway because the job market is feeling unstable.- The way I'm interpreting it is individuals who are getting burnt out, but they can't really do anything about it because everything...

CeeCee: The job market just sucks right now.

Warren: Yeah. It, it's crazy. I think I've discussed it in other episodes. Our application rate has gone so far down. And you think with all these [00:05:00] people, you always hear, "Oh, this company laid off," and none of them are in our industries. But you keep hearing all these massive

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: more people in the market, but I think people are just sitting on their hands right now instead of, going out there and pursuing whatever job it is that they want. 

CeeCee: Yeah, and I kinda... So last time we touched upon this a little bit was I think a few episodes ago, and we were talking about how- Well, I was saying how usually you see, like, a little turnover uptick after bonus payouts. 

CeeCee: So I'm thinking now, like, if people aren't moving, they're definitely not moving.

Warren: Yeah. you know, I, I've recently celebrated my seventh anniversary where I'm at

CeeCee: Ooh.

Warren: I've been at a job ever. And I don't foresee myself going anywhere ever. I think this is where it'll be hopefully my final destination, work destination. But you know, I'm happy.

Warren: I'm content. [00:06:00] I have all the freedom, all the responsibilities I want. I have a good team around me. I have good management that I work with. There's some bad managers out there I have to deal with, but, I work with good management and I'm, Yeah, I don't see a need to make a change anytime

CeeCee: Same.

Warren: to throw three billion dollars at, you know, a ridiculous amount of money at me for the... I don't know.

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: No, I don't s-- I don't see that happening either. 

CeeCee: I like where I'm at, and I understand where the anxiety is coming from for people. they also talk about job hugging, which is basically people who they may not be happy in their role, but they are clinging to that role like there's no tomorrow because of, anxiety of layoffs and stuff like that, 

Warren: I think a lot of these things, when I see these companies doing layoffs, they're mainly some of the big name companies that are IT centric, the Amazons, the Googles, the, big companies like that. And that would [00:07:00] be... I know some people take some sort of pleasure or pride out of for one of these giant companies.

Warren: But, you know, known a few people who've worked at Amazon, who've worked at Google and those other big name companies, and none of them have been there terribly long. they last like two years and then they're off to the next thing. And you talk about getting burned out, I think that's exactly what happens.

Warren: That it's an environment isn't really conducive for long-term growth for most people. certain type of person that's gonna be a great environment for, and that's... I think they're willing to do the churn to get to that, that person, You know, even where I work now, I've got a little saying, "Once you've been with our company for like three years, I think you're gonna be golden and you're gonna be here for a long time." And it's sort of like, you know, the first three years, are you gonna make it? Are you gonna come and go? You know, what have you. But after three years, I think we've got our hooks in you and you're gonna be staying a [00:08:00] while. But yeah, I think that, those big companies, they just don't care. They're saying, "Hey, I'll get this new batch of graduates coming in who they would love to put a Google or Amazon or pick your favorite big name company, Apple, onto their resume."

Warren: And yeah.

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: you were talking about, oh gosh, the first term, uh, quite cracking. 

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: Later this week, I'm taking my first real PTO of this year, and I desperately need to get away.

CeeCee: Oh, nice.

Warren: then, head out. But, yeah, just, I'm just-- I'm trying to, you know, [00:09:00] use very little in the meantime to get me through there. But, the only other thing is you try and use your, to save your PTO, but then you got doctor's appointments and dentist appointments, and you've gotta,

CeeCee: for like a salaried visit, I don't think that you should be using PTO to go to the doctor. It's stupid.

Warren: Well, you know, if you're taking like half a day or

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: speaking of doctor's appointments, one of the things, I get my appointments at the first available. my dentist appointment every six months is at seven thirty AM. I get that early slot, so I make it to work like ten minutes late when it's all said

CeeCee: Okay.

Warren: like I had my dermatologist appointment last Friday. They open at nine, so I was like an hour late, but

CeeCee: [00:10:00] Yeah. 

Warren: but Anyways, another little sidetrack, ADD minds.

CeeCee: 

[00:11:00] 

CeeCee: AI layoffs are becoming more and more. There's hiring freezes, there's org restructures, [00:12:00] and, people are f- you know, they're not comfortable with AI. I saw a meme the other day and it said, "I've had more people pressuring me to use AI than I've had people offer me drugs in middle school."

CeeCee: and I think, this is interesting for me because from what I was reading, it kinda seems like people are unsure of, how to utilize AI. Like, I think companies have done a really good job at being like, "Oh, AI's gonna augment work, and it's gonna make your job easier.

CeeCee: Let's use Copilot and this," but people haven't become comfortable in, using it and when to use it, like use cases. There's just a really big lack of trust in it. I think use cases are probably the most important thing when we're doing AI-related learning in the organization.

CeeCee: But I get how, the trust thing is huge because people are, untrusting of a new technology. Is my job safe? And I know you're telling me to upskill, but at the same [00:13:00] time, I'm feeling like I'm gonna be pushed out.

Warren: Yeah. I, I'm still 

CeeCee: I am. Yeah.

Warren: I just pulled up-- I don't know if I talked about this on a previous episode. The-- You know, I was using AI to, make our episodes and our descriptions more search engine friendly. Then I just started asking it some various questions, about the podcast.

Warren: I put our RSS feed in, so it can read everything. It reads the transcripts. it knows the podcast inside out. So I asked it, and I said, "Tell me about what makes Jaded HR successful."

CeeCee: Ooh.

Warren: one of the final paragraphs is, "Later in the podcast run, Warren develops a highly energetic and fast-paced chemistry with CeCe. Their dynamic he- Their dynamic is heavily influenced by their shared ADHD, which leads to highly entertaining, tangent-filled conversations where they frequently bounce from one topic to the next with no strict [00:14:00] agenda. They also balance each other out well by bonding over pop culture analysis, particularly when they co-host special episodes breaking down, the HR violations in the television show The Office,"

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: in months.

CeeCee: Oops.

Warren: I just thought that was so appropriate, the ADD and using

CeeCee: is

Warren: all

CeeCee: That's it. 

Warren: pretty well.

CeeCee: Speaking of a use case for AI, and speaking also of ADHD, um, I just started kinda digging into Cowork. So if, I don't know if you have Copilot or if anyone out there has Copilot, like Cowork is one of the, I guess, the bots that are within Copilot, and it actually like helps you plan your day, it scans all your emails and helps you do to-do lists, and it's kind of having your own virtual, executive assistant, and it's fantastic.

CeeCee: So if anyone like Warren and I, are afflicted with the squirrel brain, [00:15:00] try that 'cause it's been really good for me.

Warren: There's a Google tool I keep meaning to use, and we have the Google Gemini company-wide license, which is really awesome because it doesn't get outside of the office. Everything is in our little

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: So, we can ask it specific questions related to work, and it-- we don't have to worry about populating the LLM on its own or with our information.

Warren: And one of the tools it keeps trying to promote to me is a virtual assistant. And I keep saying I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it, but

CeeCee: Do it.

Warren: time to get this virtual assistant, as well. But I, I will embrace the hell out of it, especially if it comes to managing my email.

Warren: I-- Email is... If I had unlimited budget, I would hire someone just to deal with my email. I, I can't do it. I, I, I can't. can't. 

CeeCee: my company actually, we got this new tool, it's called Spark AI, and it's fantastic. It's an [00:16:00] AI chatbo- well, I don't know the best way to explain it. So it's, yeah, it's like an AI chatbot, and there's different bots within it.

CeeCee: And, we have it for our managers of people because it's almost like an executive coach for our managers, and there's a lot of role playing in there too, which is great. So we're kind of pushing it to do things like difficult conversation, like difficult performance conversations 

CeeCee: We have a use case right now where is using it so that they are seen as less aggressive. So like, it's a really cool tool. it's very interactive. It gives you instant feedback and instant coaching in real time. so yeah, I think that is such an awesome tool.

Warren: That, that sounds awesome. I, I, I'm gonna probably end up looking into that as I think A little coach to help, especially if you know you have an issue. Like this manager sounds like they're aware

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: or, you know, a little, too assertive for some [00:17:00] people. 

CeeCee: Yeah. 

Warren: that's why like if y-you have the person, "I'm not that way,"

CeeCee: But it's really...

Warren: the world that's gonna help you

CeeCee: We've gotten a license for anyone who's a people manager, so you, automatically get that license, and we've had, a lot of people using it. We're still trying to, push usage up, but great tool. I highly recommend it.

Warren: We have one manager who's one I've talked about before without using the name, but they are using AI respond to emails, and they're just cutting and pasting. 

CeeCee: Yeah. 

Warren: and being that there's a several year history of knowing their writing style and how they do it, and now all of a sudden we're getting these things.

Warren: It's like everybody just them behind their back. like, "Oh, this is another AI

CeeCee: Oh, no. Someone needs to be this person feedback.

Warren: oh, yeah, they're... it's comical at this point.

CeeCee: I love [00:18:00] it.

Warren: it, it's not a original thought at all that came out of this person's

CeeCee: Ugh.

Warren: just the wording, the text choice and things like that,

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: definitely AI. it's cringe-worthy, but it's funny as hell too, so. here's the thing. I-- my problem is I'm as confident as I can be that he is sending things like this to clients as well.

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: So he's not double-checking at all to see if there's any accuracy. He's like, "Okay, respond. Draft a response to this email I just received." And he just cuts and pastes

CeeCee: I was on Reddit, and I was just, like, scrolling, I'm in a bunch of the communities on Reddit, and one of them is a community on The Office, speaking of which, and someone posted something, and I was like, "I feel like there's a piece of trivia about that."

CeeCee: So I, like, went to ChatGPT, and I looked it up. It was something to do with the [00:19:00] mugshot of Roy, after, you know, he beat Jim up or tried to. But I looked it up, and ChatGPT said something to the effect of, "Oh, this is really funny because that mugshot they used was his real mugshot from, like, a po- thing."

CeeCee: And I'm like, "I don't think that's true." So then I had to ask ChatGPT, like, "Can you source that?"

Warren: sources.

CeeCee: And then it came back and it's like, "Oh my gosh, you are absolutely correct for, checking that because that was completely not true." And I'm like, "Ugh." And that is such a stupid example, right?

CeeCee: Like, so, like, frivolous. But at the same time, I could just imagine that person blindly doing things with AI and ChatGPT or whatever, and, like, sending them and not checking them, and giving either wrong information or completely wrong grammar or, like, stupid stuff.

Warren: Hello, everything on Facebook right now. 

CeeCee: Mm-hmm. The cesspool of social media. I liked Facebook better [00:20:00] when it was only for college students. It was so much better.

Warren: I, I'm still addicted to f- social media, Facebook. I'm posting less, but, I'm still on it way too much. and I've joined some new groups. I've actually-- I bought a new truck, uh, uh, right after Easter. 

CeeCee: Oh, yeah.

Warren: And, I joined a, a, a club for, Land Cruisers essentially.

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: [00:21:00] 

Warren: And I would ask it, "Are you sure?" Sometimes it would say positively, and then it would give me the little link icon, and I could go back and see, oh, it's from my notes or from the lecture

CeeCee: Oh, nice.

Warren: You know, it-- takes a certain level of awareness to be able to just use some common sense and, say, "Whoa, put your brakes on.

Warren: Is this true?" And ask it. And it, like you said, it's good at calling itself out after... Well, once you call it out, it's good at saying, "Oh, you're

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: and, is incorrect." 

CeeCee: Okay, so not HR related, but kinda related to what we're saying, um, or we're talking about. I feel like... I've been giving this a lot of thought, especially with, children and children who are growing up in a world with AI and AI information being, iffy sometimes. I feel like [00:22:00] children should learn the basics of, life, 

CeeCee: the basics of comprehension, the basics of, all that stuff before we give them certain tools. And I'm thinking about it too 'cause now I hear about, like, for example, why is everything in a tablet?

CeeCee: I understand that this is the world we live in, but at the same time, there is a piece of me that's like, "Why can't up until a certain developmental age, children be given books and paper and, be given, like, this is how you find information. Like, just the logical steps of how to find information, how to research, how to do this before you just give them this incredibly fallible product.

Warren: Well, I think it's so crazy. You know, my kids are grown now, but the '80s when I was going to school, primarily 'cause I didn't graduate high school till '92, but I had a Jansport book bag that was always overpacked, overstuffed with all these

CeeCee: Yes.

Warren: the...

CeeCee: [00:23:00] Yes.

Warren: school, each class had a book, and it had a

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: Now, you know, my whole-- elementary school on, our county gives the kids a Chromebook, and you get the same Chromebook year after year until it's time to refresh it and get a new one.

Warren: But, like, my kids went all the way through, had a Chromebook and all their

CeeCee: in there?

Warren: were on it. Mm-hmm. Their

CeeCee: I don't...

Warren: downloaded in

CeeCee: Even from, the anatomy of the eye, using screens at such a young age, I feel like that in and of itself should be a c- am I crazy. Yeah.

Warren: Well, it's funny, in my class, I've had... It's not an official cohort of students, but I've been with the same student in, like, four classes. We just sort of started at the same time, and now we know each other. We do group projects together, which I hate group projects. But, she still gets the physical book, and she's like [00:24:00] twenty-five, and she has to have the

CeeCee: I have to have a book

Warren: give me the digital one. Give me the digital book. I, that's all I want. 

CeeCee: But how do you,

Warren: interesting.

CeeCee: in a digital b- how do you highlight in a digital book? How do you fold pages in a physical book?

Warren: Okay. here's my studying tool. I read this, I saw this on YouTube, and I've been doing it. So I take the digital book, cut and paste every word of every chapter into a Google Doc, the images and everything. Now, I load that into NotebookLM, and I load the recordings of my lectures, and I record my notes that I've taken, and I put it all into NotebookLM, and then I can ask NotebookLM questions, and I can...

Warren: I can have it generate me, a quiz to, to practice. and what I also will do is I'll say, "Here's the last quiz we take. This is my professor's style of quizzes and tests." I put that in there, and we [00:25:00] actually, in the final exam, I had one or two extremely similar, questions to what NotebookLM spit out as saying, These are, you know, practice questions for you and your test." So it's,

CeeCee: Okay.

Warren: fun.

CeeCee: I get it. I get it.

Warren: with NotebookLM, I can create a podcast

CeeCee: Oh.

Warren: listen to the all-- I--

CeeCee: Oh.

Warren: So I have my hour-and-a-half one-way commute. So I get off work, I punch up the podcast, and I'm studying on my way home, and it is so... I'll share

CeeCee: Okay.

Warren: it is so good how, the material is. it's crazy.

CeeCee: ' cause I'm, I'm like I, I listen, so,

Warren: Yes.

CeeCee: yeah, I get that. Okay, I'm sold. I'm just thinking for young kids, like are we setting them up for success?

Warren: Yeah. But then again, I'm running into... We hired some younger people to do hands-on technical work. [00:26:00] not technical IT, but

CeeCee: Yeah. 

Warren: these people are in their early twenties, and they can't do our online onboarding.

CeeCee: Mm.

Warren: do... And it, it just frustrates me to no end that they can't do...

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: I might-- I mentioned to you all there, we

CeeCee: Yay.

Warren: he's gonna work with me over the summer in the warehouse. He's not gonna be working directly with me or anything. But I went through-- I did a Google Meet with him and watched him do his own onboard- It's not hard at all.

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: doing tax forms

CeeCee: Oh,

Warren: never

CeeCee: yeah.

Warren: and B, he doesn't know his account information for his direct deposit. He's like, "Is that my debit card number?" I'm like, "No. it's not your debit card number."

CeeCee: That's cute.

Warren: anyways, yeah. 

CeeCee: I think we expect a lot out of Gen Z technology-wise because of the social media piece. Like, oh, they're on TikTok and everything, but we still forget, like, it's not like people intuitively [00:27:00] know how to work an LMS if they've never been in one.

CeeCee: Just because they know how to make a TikTok video doesn't mean they know how to log into an LMS. And we have to be patient with them.

Warren: It-- that's very true. But I... As I was watching my son do the onboarding, you click a link and it's like even though we put instructions, it's very common sense. You put your name, you put your address, 

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: You just fill in

CeeCee: It's not difficult. That's cool.

Warren: that'll be cool because nobody on my team is social media, adept. You know, we're [00:28:00] not social media people. That'll be interesting to see if she can bring anything new from that to the table as well, 

CeeCee: Love it.

Warren: You had another topic, I think, at your list here.

CeeCee: oh, no, I wanted to go back really quick 'cause we were talking about, AI, and Gen Z, and, like, entry-level jobs, and everything like that. So, y- you know, I think I read, like, a few weeks ago that, 

CeeCee: IBM actually have opened up a bunch of entry-level jobs, actually tripling the amount of entry-level jobs now because two things is, like, one is they realize that AI has certain limitations, but B, after they did some layoffs, they took time to really sit down and look at what an entry-level job looks like- Today.

CeeCee: And they've rewrote a ton of job descriptions to account for, what an entry-level job in the state of having AI looks like. And now they're opening those jobs up. So I do think, it's super important. and [00:29:00] I really like how they did that. yes, they did eliminate jobs, which is unfortunate, but for them to kind of be like, "Hey, listen, even AI has limitations, so now we're gonna invest in what this looks like."

Warren: Yeah. I've been fighting the battle and finally winning a little bit. the work my company does is very unique. We don't have a ton of competitors who do exactly what we do in the engineering world. I've been saying we need to hire entry-level people and train and develop them ourselves because have some success hiring outside people with skills you can, 

CeeCee: Trans-

Warren: Yeah, tran-transferable skills. There we go. have some transferable skills out of there. And we do fairly well, but it's not a sure part thing. But now got two-- This will be the su-second summer with two interns, that they are kicking butt

CeeCee: Nice.

Warren: and I just say we've got to keep them motivated because, you know, by the time they [00:30:00] get fully in the swing, we got people the age retirement, and at some point, these people are gonna say, "You know what? It's time. 

CeeCee: It's time.

Warren: And those people are not gonna be

CeeCee: Yep.

Warren: if the more time we have these people growing up and developing under them and improving their skills, it's gonna be really good. So I'm really looking forward to that. we're gonna actually have more interns this summer than we've had in a very long time.

CeeCee: That's cool. 

Warren: happy.

CeeCee: We had an intern last year, a summer intern last year on our team, and she did such an amazing job that she was job offered. She graduates in May, so she graduates this month, and then she's coming to work with us immediately after she gets her master's degree.

Warren: Sweet. yeah, the intern. Yeah, that's ideal. when I was interviewing interns, my son has applied to hundreds of internships. Disney said they were gonna hire him. They went through the whole thing and then ghosted him.

CeeCee: That's weird for Disney.

Warren: Yeah. [00:31:00] And he emailed the recruiter and followed up, and nope, the recruiter didn't respond.

Warren: and he never got any final feedback out of it. But all the interns I interviewed, all of them said, you know, how hard it is to

CeeCee: Yeah

Warren: unfortunately, that's not the one we hired. I, my recruiter boiled it down to four candidates, and, if we just closed our eyes and did any me- eeny, meeny, miny, moe, we would have come up with a, a, a really good candidate. And I, I do feel bad that ' cause I really, I really liked all of 'em. And one thing I did this year is I told my assistant and my recruiter, I said, "Hey, this, the decision is y'all's.

Warren: I'll, you know, unless, you know, something really-- I have a really big red flag, I'll let you make the decision. I just wanna sit in and be part of it." But, they did, and I'm really happy.

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: I wish I could have hired all four,

CeeCee: Oh.

Warren: I just was not able to.

CeeCee: I feel like it was easy... Like, I'm thinking to grad school. I'm like, [00:32:00] it was easy for me to get an internship, but, 'cause I got two really good internships, but they were all free.

Warren: Ah,

CeeCee: now they're not unpaid, which good for you guys.

CeeCee: Like, I'm happy that you're getting paid for your labor.

Warren: I've-- I told my son as he's going for i-internships to, you know... 

CeeCee: Hmm.

Warren: And I said, "Okay." After the-- I came to coach, "Okay, I know what you're saying." But it-- let's rephrase that. Say, "Hey, you know, I'm really open to salary. The experience is what's most important to me. I can make do with whatever you offer,

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: or even free." 

CeeCee: the experience is really what I'm after.

Warren: Yeah, exactly. but he just said, "I don't care." 

CeeCee: [00:33:00] Whatever.

Warren: I think in that interview, that was the only negative feedback I had for him after, that

CeeCee: You reminded me of this one time have this job interview, and I'm telling my parents, like, "Do not come into this room. unless the house is on fire, do not come in this room." And what does my dad do? Walks in the room to look for a screwdriver, and like, luckily, the camera was facing me, and he was, on the other side, so the camera didn't see it.

CeeCee: But the whole time I'm like, "Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm trying to do my best interview while my dad is, rummaging in the room. I'm like, "Get out of this room."

Warren: Oh, yeah. I haven't had that experience. I've never had a bad experience being on video camera 

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: a friend of mine who is a VP of, her company, This is the peak of COVID. Everybody's working from home. has an office set up in her spare room, and her mother comes out of the shower and [00:34:00] drops towel for everybody to see.

CeeCee: Ah!

Warren: and I was like, "Oh, gosh." And that wasn't even the room the mother was staying in. so I'm like, "What are you even doing in here?" 

CeeCee: my nightmare. I'd be like, "So we're done here? I'm not,

Warren: I'm

CeeCee: have a great day."

Warren: Well, this has been our first YouTube episode, so hopefully it goes well.

Warren: Hopefully, we can edit it well. been practicing editing. We've been recording in video for a while, and I've been playing with the- editing. So hopefully that can go well and, get some social media clips out of it. I got a AI tool I'm using to help with that. So yeah, I think this word of sort of like with naked mothers walking in behind your camera is a good place to

CeeCee: Yeah.

Warren: for today, in this episode.

Warren: So thank you very much for listening, and we will be back in two weeks with yet another fun episode. So as [00:35:00] always, I'm

CeeCee: I'm CC.

Warren: we're here helping you survive HR one what the fuck moment at a time. All right